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 Guys!!...I have been feeling REALLY weird lately....I REALLY need your opinions!!!
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 365 |
Ok. I have an appointment with the doc on friday to see whats up about this. I just startd my cutting cycle and im feeling really strange. Let me start at the beggining. On a thurs or two ago, I started. My cutting cycle consists of IP's 50 mg winny tab everyday (one morn, one night) , 75 mg of fina EOD, and I'm taking Xenadrine (sp). I taken all of these, except for the fina before with no probs. Ive never taken fina before. I made the fina myself and it came out perfect. At the time, my father had a sinus infection. Im prone these. The glands in my neck got swollen and I had small amounts of sinus pressure in my face. One thing though, my jaw. Where the joint is where your jaw connects to the rest of your skull felt really weird. It feels like tired all the time. It feels like I've been chewing like 20 pieces of gum and my jaw is exhausted. It feels tight all the time. Like stiff. And it is only in the back where the joint is. Not at the front. I notice sometimes my ears get stopped up as well. Like everything sounds kinda hollow. So, I got put on an antibiotic and a decongestant. MY glands on my neck are no longer swollen and my nose is completely clear. I stopped everything I was taking and did not train for 1 week while on the antibiotic. Now, the jaw thing is still here. It hasnt gone away at all. It all of the sudden feels really tired all the time, even when I'm not eating. It gets especially exhausted if I'm talking. Ive done some jaw exercises , and that didnt help at all. The feeling still persists. My ears still feel like I'm on an airplane and they havent adjusted. These feelings come and go. Like one min Ill be fine, and the next, boom, jaw feels tired and ears feel weird. I had an idea, I thought it might be my wisdom teeth. I havent had them taken out yet. I'm 20 right now. But the nurse on the phone said she didnt think that had anythign to do with it. The ears thing wouldnt be related to it either. Well sorry so long, but I'm really looking for some support here. Im kinda worried. Any ideas??? ------------------     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 326 |
its call t.m.j syndrome.lock jaw is another term used.this will cause what you were describing.there is nothing you can really do for it besides surgery.i know it helps me when i press on the mandibular it give it some realise | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
well that just sucks flaming monkey nuts if thats what it is. I cant believe this. How could I get such a thing??? What causes it?? Why would I never have these symptoms and then all of the sudden, bam, i have it??? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Ok, I just looked it up in the encyclopedia and it pretty much states that untreated im going to die. Wonderful. Says it can be caused by toxins or untreated wounds. the only thing I can think of that maybe toxic could be the magic solution in the fina?? Geez, it says that eventually the whole body spasms and i die from exhuastion. Great. I dont have spasms, yet. nothing else feels out of the ordinary besided my jaw. hmmm, and its only the joint. Wonderful though, I hope i dont have this shit. Anyone one with good news??? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 184 |
My jaw feels like that from time to time. I clench and grind my teeth in my sleep. Maybe you are doing the same? Maybe from stress or the eca/juice? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
I dont think I grind my teeth in my sleep, the only reason I think that is cus I snore like there is no tomorrow. I'm sawing logs allllll night long. I wake myself up sometimes. ive taken the ECA for years before and it never gave me these sides. I dont have alot of stress either. School is a little bit harder, but not as much as it would make me feel like this. I hope I'm not going to die. That would really suck. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 534 |
THESE ARE ALSO SYMPTOMS OF TETNIS (SP?) GO TO THE DOC AND TELL HIM. IT COULD BE SERIOUS. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Could the Fina have made it feel like this?? I noticed the fina and my sinus infection and the jaw thing started around the same times. But see, I stopped everything for a week, I didnt take the fina,eca, or the winny for a week, and doesnt fina have a quick clearence time?? Isnt that why its shot EOD?? So when I quit the fina, the problem should have gone away?? But it didnt. I still had the jaw feeling and the ear thing. Even when I didnt take ANYTHING. and that was for a week. I got my appointment bumped up until tomorrow. Oh yeah one more thing, when i bring my upper and lower teeth together really close but not touching, they chatter. Its like Im cold or something. I dunno, maybe thats the spasm?? Any help would be appreciated. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 241 |
when my friend takes xenadrine he gets the same thing wiht his jaw | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 135 |
I wear a mouth guard at night and it relives the symptoms. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 125 |
ripped103 is right... sounds like tmj I have it too. I dont get it that bad though. had it once real bad, the doc told me to stay away from chewy or hard to chew food for about 2 weeks to a month. Dont chew gum, apples, etc. Try to eat soft food. If it persists, they have meds you can take for it. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
ive taken the xenadrine before and it didnt do this. Also, I quit everything for like a week and the symptoms are still there. Man, I almost can wait to go to the doctor tomorrow, this is scaring the hell outa me. I hope some more people respond to this, thanx for your support everyone. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
something someone sugg. earlier, but spelled it wrong, its called tetanus. Scary as hell, untreated you just get exhausted and die. What kind of surgery is involved with making the feeling go away, and what do they do?? Im worried to hell. The teeth chattering thing really bothers me. I talked about it up further in the post. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Could the Fina have made it feel like this?? I noticed the fina and my sinus infection and the jaw thing started around the same times. But see, I stopped everything for a week, I didnt take the fina,eca, or the winny for a week, and doesnt fina have a quick clearence time?? Isnt that why its shot EOD?? So when I quit the fina, the problem should have gone away?? But it didnt. I still had the jaw feeling and the ear thing. Even when I didnt take ANYTHING. and that was for a week. I got my appointment bumped up until tomorrow. Oh yeah one more thing, when i bring my upper and lower teeth together really close but not touching, they chatter. Its like Im cold or something. Another thing is that I look like I'm exhausted all the time. My girlfriend says it looks like I havent slept in days. I have really dark large circles under my eyes that have gotten a little bit better. But I dont feel tired at all, I just look like I'm exhausted. I cant wait to get to the doctor tomorow. Does anyone think it could be the fina. I'm hoping it is and not just a qoincidence (sp). I did quit taking it for a week though, and nothing got any better, so I'm not sure if thats it or not. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
well the doc just called to say hes in surgery tomorrow at my appointment time, so I had to rescedule for like next week. Damn, I'm so depressed. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2654 |
just relax, and no its not the FINA... what you described is the exact way i felt before-- i just had my wisdom teeth extracted, they were embedded real bad, and gave me all sorts of problems including ear aches and pressure from hell... either way go get it checked out soon tooth/jaw pain is no-fun... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
are you absolutely positive its not the fina??? praise the lord, my gains and fat loss have been awesome over the past 2 weeks. Anyway, I just called the docs office and bitched for like 30 min and they said they gave me a new appointment at noon tommorrow. Thank god!!1 Roid, thats the best news Ive heard all day. I'm so happy you had the same symptoms. The back of my mouth has been kinda tender. Ive been wondering if it was my wisdom teeth. Im lookin for more opinions though. Im gonna spill everything to the doc, the fina usage and all. Anyone else with opinions. Im still really scared about the whole thing. Its really freakin me out. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 346 |
Bro, take a deep breath and relax. You are not going to die. It is most likely your wisdom teeth or something not as serious. Go to the appointment tommorrow and get some stronger anti-biotics and have the doc figure out what is up. Nevertheless, you are not going to die. Keep us updated about the results from your appointment tommorrow. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Man, its very hard for me to relax. I make a big deal out of everything. I have what you could call worse-case scenario syndrome. As soon as something starts to happen, I take everything to Defcon 1 and head to my shelter in the mountain. You should have seen me during the whole Y2K thing. It was not pretty. Anyone else have any opinions on if its the fina or not?? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 123 |
chattering teeth indicate nerves.they will cause crazy symptoms thruout your body..i say lay of the xenedrene | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 36 |
Empty W..... you got a couple of solid suggestions as to what is going on with your jaw. 3 things.... 1) the wisdom teeeth : if it's the teeth, that's no big Whoop! You'll find out soon enough and have them removed. End of story. 2) TMJ : temperal mandibular joint syndrome... this is where your jaw meets your skull. It's right in front of your ear. Easy to determine if this is a problem. Place your fingertips in front of your ears on either side of your head. Open and close your mouth slowly and feel the jaw bulge out a bit on your fingertips. They action you feel should be symmetrical.... in other words, the same on both sides. If one side bulges out then the other like they are swinging independently, you have a joint proble there. (TMJ) This can create havoc as your masseter (jaw muscles) are some of the strongest in the body... when they go whack you can get headache, neck ache, back pain etc etc. Also, where the jaw hooks to the skull, it's like your fist into your other palm... almost a ball and socket... there is a disc between the jaw and the skull. This disc can move out of position and then you will get a clicking noise as you open and close your mouth, and maybe some locking of the jaw (not lockjaw...or tetanus) Kinda like a knee that locks on torn cartlidge. Finally, look in the mirror... slowly open and close your mouth. The hole made should be round as you open and close. If the joint is damaged you will see the jaw swing to the side and not be smooth arcing up and down. 3) Tetanus... this comes from a wound infection...like stepping on a rusty nail. Have you poked yourself with anything rusty latey? I would bring up that possibilty to the doc and get a tetanus shot if he recommends it. You are not gonna die. You are gonna get teeth pulled, your jaw fixed, or a tetanus shot. Okay mate? Cheers, gomo | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 13 |
Holy shit dude!!! You have 2 days to live unless you get the antidote and it can only be found in a Yak's ass in Tibet!! Just kidding, Just go to the doctor, be as honest as you can with them and hopefully things will be fine. Your symptoms certainly do scare me. I got some Finaject 80 mg/cc(made in a home lab of course) and I am a little fearful of taking it. My friend is using it right now and if he survives than I will partake. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Well, I think now I'm kinda stopped thinking about it and it feels better. I do know the relaxed position for my mouth is different than it was before. I'm still looking for more input on the fina question. I want to know if the fina could have caused this. I have taken everything else before but the fina with no problems. But, when I quit the fina, the jaw thing did not go away. Watcha think?? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Bump..... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 274 |
I've had a lot of experience with this. My mom gets it really bad sometimes, and has to wear a brace. I get it, but not as bad. It's called TMJ, and is caused by *I BELIEVE* a wear down of cartilidge. Mine is always triggered by stress or weather changes, which is really weird I know. That's my experiences in a nutshell. Email if you have ?'s. Mine always goes away after about a week. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Well, its been like a week and a half. I did all of the things that the guy in the middle of the post said to. No abnormalies. Everything checks out like he said. So I dont know if I have TMJ or not. I still dont have anymore answers on whether anyone thinks its the fina or not. So far only roidranger thinks it isnt. Anyone else?? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 718 |
Its not the Fina. Im going thru a lot of the same things you are describing and the cause IS a bad tooth and infection in the gumbs. One of my roots may be dying and the dentist told me this and the probable infection are the cause of the symptoms. Get those wisdoms taken care of and the antibiotics should help. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Ok. If I get my wisdom teeth taken out, is it safe to go under the anesthesia they put you under with while on what I am on, the fina/winny/eca?? I prolly wouldnt take the eca on the day of the surgery. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 175 |
This is a classic case of hypocondria. We all go through it because we feel guilt over using juice and we feel like it is going to catch up to us. Some Lial Alzedo story or some shit. You are explaining symptoms of TMJ like a few others stated. There is no real cause you just get it and it comes and goes. I have had it for years my jaw locks up or feels pain whether on or off the gear. WE all try and attibute everything to what foreign substance we are taking and it is seldom true. Just relax you are fine. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 484 |
I have personal experience with toxins my friend and I think it is a toxic affect thats causing your problem not trying to scare you but I would stop what ever combination of stuff you took. I have TMJ and had toxic experience and the later sounds like the one.Just stop it take asprin to make sure the blood flow is good and relax it prob will go away soon. Let the doc tell you what your prob is from here. just my 0.2 cents | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
Calm down bro. I don't think its as bad as you're making it seem. How's your diet and your resting, if your body is not taking in the nutrients it needs and you're resting enough, you'll feel tired most of the time. I would take a multi-vitamin and make sure my diet is really good. I was on xenadrin for a while and I got some similar sides like the congested ears like riding an airplane, make sure you drink enough water...hope you get better man and best of luck on your cycle. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 25 |
Calm down bro. You will be ok. What you described sounds like it could be wisdom teeth. If you get them extracted, its pretty much a piece of cake. The anesthesia they give you will take away all the pain and it is very safe. You will get some swelling for about a week, and you should swish with warm salt water to keep it down. You'll be ok in no time. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 54 |
All of these suggestions sound great, I myself have had TMJ, no fun. One other thing is it could be from lifting too hard. Sounds stupid, but it happens to some people. I got the same pain for about 2 months. (I use anger as a lifting motivator, thinking of your girl fu(king another guy adds 20 pounds!)I bite down alot when i lift, it is kinda bad actually. The doctor told me to chew gum while i lift. It really does help. Hope you feel better man... ------------------
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Cool Novice
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Dude calm down. These are some minor inconveniences with simple explainations. RELAAAAAAAX! Your glands might always swell on a hard cycle when your pushing yourself, it's your body fighting. Don't worry and wear a mouth gaurd at night for awhile. Congested? who gives a fuck, take some more ephedrine or use nasal spray. RELAAAAAAAAX! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 105 |
I say stop your cycle and stop taking any other drugs you don't need to if you are that worried about it. See if there is an improvement. It could be any number of things from TMJ to neuromuscular disease, you need a doc to diagnose and do tests on you to figure it out! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Ok, if you read the whole post carefully, you can see where I DID stop taking EVERYTHING for a week and a half. My sinus in fection went away but the jaw thing didnt get one bit better, I didnt train in that week and a half either. Sooooo, that makes me think its not the fina/winny/or eca. I have taken all before with not probs. Then fina I havent taken before. But when I stopped everything for that period of time, there was no improvement. Another thing, Is it safe to be put under anesthesia while on fina and winny or any juice for that matter?? ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 29 |
I had swimmers ear once and it felt exactly like that. My ear was swelling causing pressure on my jaw and giving me headaches. I had to take a shot and ear drops. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
Now thats really interesting. I noticed i got water in my ear a couple of weeks ago, while taking a shower. But ive gotten water in my ear lots of times, and this never happened. ------------------ |
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