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NJstacked

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posted March 27, 2001 12:43 PM

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Ok here is what I have done since the middle of November...
Sust- 8 weeks @500mg with EQ 10 weeks 300mg
...At end I took clomid and clen.....
then I got Fina and did 6 weeks.....Next...I started my halotestin at the end of FINA cycle...because I wanted to start my Halo for 4 weeks and begin another Sust cycle on third week of Halo..I plan on running the Sust @ 750mg a week for 8 weeks....Nuts are small....No sides yet...Rethinking the idea of Sust in another 2 weeks? I plan on hitting the CLOMID hard after the Sust...PLEASE HELP>..


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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LOL...It's soooo hard to come completely off,isn't it?I sympathize,because I know that feeling all too well...Two questions-How old are you?Do you plan on having children within the next couple/few years?


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NJstacked

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I am 22 and do not plan on having children for 8 more years...Anyway, I dont think my cycles have been really that huge...It has just been several months now and I am not sure if I should run the test again...In all honesty after the test I plan on stopping for 5 months and just try to maintain before starting another cycle....Thanks


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surehands2

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bro smae problem here i did 10 weeks of 1 g of primoteston a week wtih 12 weeks of eq at 500mg and the first 7 weeks of fina at 105mg EOD now im on 400mg of t200 and 200mg of deca for 12 weeks to bridge to my next 12 week cycle coming off SUCKS@!!!!


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supersizeme

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seek counseling...you are becoming addicted(if not already) and when you finally do come off in one piece from all those drugs you'll crash and go into depression. take a breather from the drugs, homie.


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quote:
Originally posted by supersizeme:
seek counseling...you are becoming addicted(if not already) and when you finally do come off in one piece from all those drugs you'll crash and go into depression. take a breather from the drugs, homie.

Couldn't have said it better. You need to be psycologically prepared to get weaker and smaller. I mean you can't stay on forever, give your receptors a few months off. Belive it or not gains can still be made drug-free. I know I was on an eq/test cycle for 12 weeks and have been clean for about 2 months. I plan on staying off till june.


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gearseeker

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Excuse me for playing the Devil's advocate but: WHY COME OFF?

Unless your health is suffering or you are out of money I cant think of a good reason.


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quote:
Originally posted by gearseeker:
Excuse me for playing the Devil's advocate but: WHY COME OFF?

Unless your health is suffering or you are out of money I cant think of a good reason.


I can think of 101 reasons (just a figure of speech)


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gearseeker

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Iron Game - Can I have one good reason?

Im 31 years old and have a lot of experience. I used to cycle - now I stay on. As long as I continue to make progress, my blood tests are normal, health is good and I can afford to - I stay on.

I dont believe in receptor attenuation. Instead I believe receptors up-regulate to handle the increase in available androgens. I know some people are genetically inclined to side effects, but some people arent.


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NJstacked

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Why the fuck should I seek counseling? Go fuck yourself..Back that statement up with a reason and personal experience and i will listen...Anyway, if you look at my past 4 months, I have not run anything to heavy...The only sides I have are smaller nuts...Any EDUCATED advice would be good...


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ThePitbull

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posted March 27, 2001 06:35 PM

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Feeling a little "testy" bro?

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Deppnade

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hey stacked, just get laid on saturday at The World and ull feel better


the ifbb pro i know and his training partner never come off, at our age i dont think ill ever come off, i just did 2 weeks of clomid only, and its freakin hell, i feel i have no reason to live without sauce , kidding for all u therapist wannabes


see, i always have felt why take off when someone somewhere isnt, someone somewhere is getting bigger than you are, thats what i am thinking during these 2 weeks i am off, that i am losing a race to someone somewhere u know, i would have to say though get a check up and make sure ur shit is alright, dont want to get toooo involved if u have stuff going wrong u didnt know about you know??

see u sat, im sure we will talk all night

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NJstacked

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DEPPENADE>>>Your Sick! Anyway, Saturday at World will be unreal...I am thinking about going Temps Style...except for the capris and cut off I was thinking Black pants and cut off. I just got a French Connection sleeveless and it is hot...I told QUEENWINNY about it, but thought I would get your take on walking in there without sleeves on my shirt if not I am going with Black Pants and an Armani Shirt...Later, NJstacked


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bsjohnson

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So you want a story, about coming off gear. I'll keep it short. About 4years ago, I was one biggest H.S kid at my school(along with my workout partner.hehe), and one of the strongest. No one fucked with me, and I also WAS a local dealer, so I had a lot of power(I felt like I did at lease,hehe) Anyway, I did two small test cycle back to back, and I loved it, and I came off for a few weeks, and I wouldn't workout at all, and I would get all depressed, So I would start taking some more test so I would get back in the grove of things, and to get that edge that you can only get from TEST. Well, everything came crashing down(x-g/f, and some other B.S) so i quit, and after that, the next two years of my life I was never the same. I wasn't happy, never was motivated, didnt' care about anything. I didn't even want to live. Finally after talking to friends over and over, and after learning to deal with it. I learned how to live without gear in my life. I learned how to workout and make gains without gear. I've been clean ever since, and I know if I ever take A.S again, I will be in control and not the gear. But everyone is different, and i'm sure i'm an extreme case. But have you ever had to come off of gear for a long period of time. Its hard!!!! Expecially when you look in the mirror(sp) its a heart breaker. You know whats best for your body, so live and learn.
Peace.


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Holst

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I heard (sorry can't give you proof) that receptors will shutdown after 8-12 weeks and prevent gains. Ofcourse you will be able to maintain your gains by staying on but you won't be able to make further gains without coming off for 4-8 weeks. I am sure there are people on this board with alot more knowledge then me, just telling you what I heard from an experienced supplier.


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Kingwinny

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Stayin clean is cut off...4 cycles per year sounds good to me....1 for each season of the year...As for the Queenwinny nickname, i hope it dont catch on lol NJstacked wear a sleeveless shirt or a tight longsleeve shirt, if i see u with a collared dress shirt there may be a fight, dress like a meathead lata


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CN1

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its sad to say this but, it is hard as hell to come off, and once you start you dont want to come off, I have been thinking lately will this ever end, once you start you really cant stop permanently, you are always trying to stock up and plan that next cycle, sad huh???????


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gettingdiesel

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NJStacked

I"m with you I will taper dosages and bridge, but I really don't see myself coming off for long any more. The See Saw sucks. I think I will run test, Deca, Dbol than swith over to more anabolics like Deca and Winny for a short while than hit it again. I like HCG so I hope that helps and I will use clomid for the first time in a few weeks. But Moral is I'm staying on .


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Deppnade

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collared 100 dollar shirt at world = waiting on the singles line all night like all the other "dime a dozen guineas" that never get in, not that being italian is bad, i am half italian

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NJStacked

LISTEN UP!

I have experience with your situation. HERE is the best thing to do. TRUST ME BRO!
When you decide you really want to go off. Cut everything except test enanthate and take it in simple physiologic replacement dosages of 100mg (no more or it this wont work!) a week for 12-16 weeks. THis will give you mid-high normal testosterone levels. You shouldn't lose much during this time unless you have become a mass monster. YOur FSH levels will come up during this time but not your LH. This SHOULD cause your nuts to become relatively normal sized again. They will probably grow to about 90 percent pre juice size. At this point make a descision, stay on or go off. If you stay on just cycle high dosages 4-12 weeks and then go on the 100mg test enanthate weekly thing for 6-14 weeks before the next high dosages cycle. The major thing to watch for if you do this is bp and cholesterol. CHolesterol is most easily screwed up. YOu'll want to get it checked every 3 months or so. It could easily be so scrwed up that the good cholesterol is like 4 (normal range 35-60) and the bad cholesterol is real high. To prevent this start supplementing with lots of omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil,etc.) and eat lots of fish. If the blood test are really bad conisder staying at the weekly 100mg te dosage for a while before starting the next high dose cycle and things will normalize.
If you decide to go off, after the 12 weeks of weekly dosages of 100mg test enanthate switch to 60mg for another 7 weeks and start to take antiestrogens during this time. THis will give you middle normal testosterone levels (like those of an average 35 year old). After this stop the test completely but keep up with the antiestrogens for another 2 weeks, then drop them. DO NOT USE HCG. This just delays the process of normalization of the body functions. At this point you will go through about 8 weeks at the end of which you should have your full normal testosterone levels back (it might take up to 16 weeks if you are old, stressed out or have bad luck).
Now if you aren't worried about totally crashing, osing tons of musle, and becoming very depressed for a while, then the easy thing ot do is to just stop everythin right now and wait. At least, yOu'll get your normal testosterone levels back quicker.

Good Luck


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One more thing,
If you take my advice and stay on with the 100mg Test enanthate bridges, get your hematocrit checked as well, you will need to give some blood everynow and then to let out all the extra you will produce over time. (you may or may not know that androgens make you produce more blood) You don't want to much blood in your systme because it will raise bp and damage your internal organs.
I don't like the idea of bridging with anabolics because you will have no testosterone in your systme during these times if you do and you willl feel crappy and have no sex drive as a result. Also it doesn;t allow for bp, cholesterol and hematocrit to normalize like 100mg (or 60-80mg if you are more concervative,safer and less aggressive) te will.


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Kingwinny

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Deppnade good call Collared shirts are for the fluff boys who hang out by the bar and spend all their money buying girls drinks and they still dont get laid.


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Deppnade

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but at least they look good right

i hear they are getting new columns to hold the walls at SF, trojan and gianni, haha

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TO Queenwinny and Deppenade...Where did this whole collared shirt thing come up? My Armani shirts are short sleeved shirts with the logo A/X embroidered across the chest...They are sick and girls think they are hot....Besides my veins in the biceps stick out like a sore thumb and people ask if I juice...Kingwinny, stop lying and tell the truth how you wore suspenders and a yello neoprene vest to La Boom every night!!! I have my outfit all ready it will be my Black pants, with my Black FCUK (French Connection United Kingdom) sleeveless shirt.....It is sick...I wish I could wear the typical TEMOS outfit...Guess Capris and Sleeveless shirt, but I think the capris would not be dressy enough for WOrld...Later....


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Kingwinny

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HAHA Big pimpin saturday night speaking of the anti-head Mark is in my room right now I'm gonna tell him to hold the wall up at worlds so we can dance. That place is pretty big he might need giannis help holding it up! see ya tomorrow


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vinnie

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posted March 28, 2001 12:56 AM

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HOLLY SHIT!!!
SEEMS LIKE SOME OF YOU WILL TAKE JUICE ALL THE WAY TO THE GRAVE. CRAZYYYY!
VINNIE


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Vinnie....Your Post is Sick!!!! Your Sick!!!! and I am going to get so SICK!!! this weekend at World....Kingwinny...g or k, I cant decide either way I am Sick!!!!!


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Deppnade

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lol, interesting kats i associate myself with


we were just fooling around nj cause mad heads wear those collared shirts, if u got muscles, flaunt em, shit.....

screw k or E

G is my favorite letter in the French alphabet

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vinnie

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HAHAHA its been a long time since i have done anything out of the alphabet soup, lol. brings back memories.
vinnie


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Wow!!!!Just think I was one of the few people who knew NJStacked before AS use (he was still a tank. Hey, When u go to that shrink take me along to I'm gonna need some rehabilitation as well...
P.S. Your lucky I'm not wearing a cut off tee to World on Sat. Later


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Damn with that much juice and you still fit into Armani clothes. You are truly pathetic. I bet you are under 260lb for sure and squat less than six. I bet you can't even bench four. Pathetic if you ask me. If you truly are 200lbs (since you fit into Armani) or so why the hell do you need to juice. You are probally one of those guys that needed juice to break 200lb.

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Queenwinny, good call NJstacked, im glad i didnt get the invite to worlds, wouldnt want to embarass you fellas. Deppnade, deca son, lunch tomorrow.

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Deppnade

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need help, go fuck yourself

he is probably one of those guys that had to juice to break 200lbs?? he still fits in armani? he cant squat 6? bench 4?

who the fuck cares what he wears, how he wears it, and who the fuck are you??

come to the world saturday, ill even get u directions and say that to our face, and then we will see what is what faggot

i take what u said about nj personal, you fucked with the wrong guy

come to the world, we will see whats what faggot


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Come to the world saturday???
Do you think I care if you took it personally???

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Deppnade

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good for you faggot, so go play with ur fudgepacking gay lovers and get off the board with your pathetic comments, where u the guy that shoved dbols up his ass and wondered why he was all messed up???


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Damn how did you know that. I wouldn't say you are absolutely correct though. What I shoved up my ass was not dbols but drols. Hemos seem to enter my asshole much quicker and smoother than Han Kuks though. Can wait till I get my Anapolans. Then the real fun begins.


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