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 Equipose while doing no-carb diet - anyone tried it?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 134 |
Have any of you tried using Equipose while on a no-carb diet? Any comments? Maybe it'll keep the muscle from wasting.     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 565 |
it would probably help but there is no reason to cut out carbs totally unless you are a week out from a show and you need to lose some weight still-just try to limit them to morning and afternoon meals. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2857 |
How would having no carbs prevent your muscle from wasting? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 134 |
Dieting, in general, will break down your muscle tissue. But you lose less muscle while in ketogenic state. Haven't any of you read Dan Duchane's stuff? It's pretty much the lesser of two evils. Equipose is supposed to maintain nitrogen balance in your body, so that contributes to even less muscle breakdown. But I would like to hear it from someone who have tried it. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2857 |
What? Providing your body is left in an anabolic or anti catabolic state there should be no reason why your muscle tissue is broken down and not repaired thus leaving you with muscle loss. Carbs allow for insulin that allows for a transport of nutrients around the body most efficiently. Your body will not make maximum efficieny of the protein you consume without adequate or optimal levels of carbs. Protein = less or no muscle loss not carbs. If you consume a total calorific intake of less than your body needs then you will lose weight period, now keeping your body in an anabolic state while doing this = fat loss. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 244 |
When you go on less-than-maintenance of Cals, your body WILL break down some fat and muscle. Period. However, if you go to ths lower cal state, and do it in a ketogenic state (i.e. very very few carbs) your body will tear down LESS muscle, and more fat. Ketogenic diets are not good for putting mass on, but for getting rid of fat while maintaining as much muscle mass as possible, they are good. However the response varies between people. For example, many find that in a carb-depleted state, their workouts just suck, and they start to lose muscle becuase of that. The CYD (cyclic ketogenic diet) attempts to be the best of both worlds, and works wonders for some. I would thing that EQ would help in any of these cases. However since EQ tends to increase your appetite somewhat, it may be tough to stick to a no-carb regimen. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2789 |
From what I've heard, primobolan is the best thing to use while on a restricted calorie diet regardless if it's keto or not. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 244 |
By the way, the best resources for reading on Ketogenics diets and CKDs are: BodyOpus by Dan Duchaine The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald Dan's book is a classic, however in light of later reasearch and information, it does have some errors and omissions. Lyle's book is one of THE best on dieting in general and Keto and CKDs in particular, it does get a bit technical at ttimes, but its worth it. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 594 |
I was on a ketogenic diet for 8 weeks while doing a Primo/Ref-B cycle. My strength jumped up considerably (and I kept it all). I had moderate muscle gains (5 lbs), and respectable fat loss (10 lbs). All together, I looked MUCH better at the end of my cycle. I was happy with the results. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 509 |
THOUGH INSULIN DOES DELIVER NUTRIENTS THROUGHOUT THE BODY, IT ALSO TRIGGERS INSULIN RECEPTORS ON THE CELL SURFACE OF FAT CELLS. THESE RECEPTORS SIGNAL THE FAT CELL TO, GUESS WHAT, STORE MORE LIPIDS AND H2O MOLECULES AND G R O W - MAKING YOU FAT. EATING LESS CARBS REUDUCES THE AMOUNT OF INSULIN THE BODY PRODUCES, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE LESS CARBS TO BE METABOLIZED THERE IS LESS NEED FOR INSULIN. THE INSULIN PRODUCED ON A LOW CARB DIET IS ADEQUATE IN MOST CASES FOR TRANSPORTING NUTRIENTS THROUGHOUT THE BODY WITHOUT TRIGGERING EVERY FAT CELL IN YOUR BODY TO STORE. I PERSONALLY DO EXTREMELY WELL ON LOW CARB DIETS. BUT, I DO KEEP MY PROTEIN AND FAT INTAKE VERY HIGH, STAYING AWAY FROM FOODS WITH A LOT OF MASS BUT FEW CALORIES, LIKE MOST VEGGIES. MY ENERGY LEVELS STAY HIGH AND MY BODY FEELS "CLEANER," EVEN THOUGH I MAY EAT 400-600 GRAMS OF FAT IN A DAY. I ACTUALLY CONTINUE TO GROW WITHOUT HOLDING WATER OR ADDING FAT ON A LOW CARB DIET, THOUGH SOME DON'T EXPERIENCE THIS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: YOU NEED TO EXPERIMENT WITH DIFFERENT DIETS TO FIND WHICH ONE WORKS FOR YOU. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE TRIED LOW FAT/HIGH CARB DIETS WITHOUT SUCCESS, THE LOW CARB/HIGH FAT DIET WILL PROBABLY WORK FOR YOU. JUST KEEP PROTEIN INTAKE TO 1 GRAM PER LB. OF BODYWEIGHT/DAY | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2857 |
Thats all very interesting Big Johnson but if you read the question he said zero carbs. If you read my reply I stated a certain amount is needed for optimal or most efficient transportation of nutrients. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 134 |
It is zero carbs. Well, maybe 0-20g of carbs, but for that amount it's almost zero. One spoon of icecream is enough to get your body out of ketosis and you'll have to wait 2-3 days again to get back in. This is not a low-carb diet, that's an entire different thing. On a low carb diet, you're still releasing insulin in your body and you're still using glucose for energy. Ketosis however, your body (muscle, liver) has zero glucose. Your body is running entirely on ketose - fuel from broken down fatty acids. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 509 |
YOUR BODY WILL STILL RELEASE INSULIN IF YOU DON'T EAT CARBS, BUT KETONES WILL BE THE MAIN SOURCE OF ENERGY FOR MUSCLES. YOUR BODY WILL CONTINUE USING ITS OWN SUPPLY OF GLUCOSE STORED AS GLYCOGEN IN THE LIVER FOR UP TO A YEAR. YES, YOUR LIVER STORES THAT MUCH AND YOUR BODY NEEDS IT. FOR SOME PEOPLE, MYSELF INCLUDED, AN ANABOLIC/AEROBIC STATE CAN BE ACHIEVED ON A LOW OR NO CARB DIET. THIS DIET WORKS, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO PUT WEIGHT ON EASY. FYI, I WAS UP TO 255LBS THREE WEEKS AGO NEAR THE END OF MY LAST CYCLE. I AM NOW DOWN TWENTY POUNDS WITHOUT ANY STRENGTH LOSS, THOUGH I AM USING METFORMIN, ON A LOW/NO CARB DIET. I KNOW A GOOD DEAL OF THIS WAS LIQUID, BUT I HAVE YET TO ENTER A CATABOLIC STATE AND CONTINUE TO LOSE WEIGHT. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 134 |
Let's get back to the original topic. So have any of you used Equipose while in ketosis? I don't wanna end up in a seizure or something. I just need to lose 10 more lbs then I'm gonna start on my cycle (my 1st one). ;p I'm thinking about doing t-3 and cytomel to speed up the process. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 430 |
Zero carbs?I tell you imo,if you're not a pro and have no intentions of ever turning pro,i would leave the no carbs thing well alone. Being more stringent on cardioand your diet in the first place is good enough for me. Zero carbs would put me in the bloody nut-house! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 134 |
It's actually not that bad. It's difficult during the first week. But after that and you're body is on ketosis, you'll feel back to normal again. It's that first week that people usually fail. |
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posted March 26, 2001 03:13 PM
