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AJD

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posted March 25, 2001 09:50 PM

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I'm a female (20 years old, 146 lbs 10.63% bodyfat) and yeah I will post this on the womens board but I want to know all the GUYS opinions on this. I'm on a current cycle of approx 75-100mgs of Deca/100 Primo per week and want to get MAXIMUM growth out of a cycle but got my hands on some sust and I know a few of the women have done that with great results! Usually the sust is 1/4 amp every 2 weeks? Do you think that would give good results? Sust/Primo or Deca/Primo? Sides shouldn't be a problem because at the level of Deca I'm doing I've got all I'm going to get where that is concerned, so I'm expecting to to be the same w/ that level of sust...

Thanks for the input!

AJ


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vinnie

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posted March 25, 2001 09:59 PM

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1/4 amps every 2 weeks? that seems kind of low but thats from a guys perspective. i do know that i get great results from sust250 organon brand. only sides that i have experienced is mild acne on shoulders and arms. just an opinion.
vinnie


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pittbull2

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posted March 25, 2001 10:17 PM

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75 to 100 mgs a week of deca & primo I think your pushing it if you want to keep a female voice and a few other things. I know someone that has done approx the same thing and changed her permentently it might not be worth the gains you would get.


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ELOH

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posted March 25, 2001 10:20 PM

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GO WITH WINNY....YOUR GONNA GROW A PENIS GIRL....STAY OFF THE SUST!


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deify

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posted March 25, 2001 11:00 PM

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not the dreaded MANGINA!!!!

yikes...

Stay away from the sust baby, keep your inny's in. LOL

-deify


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BigWh1tey

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posted March 26, 2001 01:01 AM

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Just because you can get it (sust)doesn't make it a great choice . How about winny-v, primo, or anavar .
If you want to experiment with the sust anyway, I would suggest you try 1/4cc (62.5mg) every 7 days , take note of any early warning signs of side effects (scratchy throat, extra hair in your brush, tingling or burning clitoris) if you get along well at that dosage give it a whirl for awhile (8 weeks), your physique will definately change .


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AJD

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posted March 26, 2001 07:17 AM

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I appreciate all the responses greatly but remember I'm already on a cycle of Deca and Deca has already done these sides as you all are saying thats why I said what I've got isn't going to get MUCH worse in the way I'd dose it. Also, something I didn't say in my original post that this is my 2nd cycle of Deca, the first was 50mgs every 5 days and gained 25 lbs of muscle from that! Originally weighed 122 and weight up to 147... I lost VERY LITTLE when I came off the cycle. Maybe 1 or 2 lbs max...

So point being back to my original question, will sust put on more size than deca would???? (and yes side effects are being taken under consideration here, of course...)

Thanks,
AJ


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madmitch

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posted March 26, 2001 07:43 AM

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Ok AJD

mg for mg Sust is stronger than Deca, however you will not get much gains off 1/4 amp every 2 weeks.


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-Falcon-

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posted March 26, 2001 08:30 AM

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stay away from test.....leave it for the men!!

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AJD

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posted March 26, 2001 11:10 AM

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mad mitch.... what do you think about 1/4 amp every week? actually that doesn't sound to bad. I'm basing the 1/4 every 2 weeks to what another girl did but she didn't gain AS much size as I want to though... Really thats only 62.5mgs per week, when in comparison i'm taking the other now? ya know? just a thought.

just wish there were more women, or men that had experience w/ dosing for women bodybuilders!!!

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ORGANON CANON

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posted March 26, 2001 11:40 AM

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I am not a woman, so get this confirmed on the womans board, but all of these people are telling you to go with winny *DON"T* It has been known to cause a lot of these dreaded effects on woman.


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AJD

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posted March 26, 2001 03:11 PM

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Ya know whats amusing about this though? You are right about everyone saying "go w/ winny" but what EVERYONE doesn't realize is this... If you are going to take enough of ANY STEROID to actually put on a LOT of size and you are a woman you WILL get the side effects!!! If you're only taking something to tone and its very minimal, no most likely depending on the drug choice you WON'T GET THEM.

But w/ my goals... I'd like to qualify to nationals this year and compete on stage for my first show in Sept at 145-150 at 5% bf. So I still have another 10 lbs of muscle to put on (bc I'm weighing in at that now just at 10% bf).

I just wish everyone would understand that... Thats why womens dosing is just so much more different then mens.

Ughhh, I'm so frustrated!

But thanks for the help everyone.

AJ


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madmitch

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posted March 27, 2001 03:07 AM

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AJD

Ok you are right about not many women or men wanting to talk about dosing for women. It's just one of those things were most people are too afraid to make suggestions incase something goes wrong.

The top women will be using a lot more Test than 1/4 amp of sust per week. However most will try to stick to Test Prop because if they have any problems the Test will be out of their system in 2-3 days.

If you take a long acting Test like Sust and start to have problems, it could be 3 or 4 weeks before all the Test is out of your system.

Also because of Sust's long half life the level of Test in your body will continue to increase week after week.

My advice would be to get your hands on a copy of "The World Anabolic Review 1996" it describes each steroid and gives typical doses used by both men and women.


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GRENDEL

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posted March 27, 2001 03:18 AM

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GRENDEL

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posted March 27, 2001 03:21 AM

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MY GIRL FRIEND IS CONSIDERING TAKING DECA AND PRIMOBOLAN FOR THE SUMMER TIME. SHE IS EXCITED BECAUSE SHE KNOWS HOW MUCH SHE WILL GET OUT OF IT. BUT SO SURE OF THE DOSAGGES.

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AJD

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posted March 27, 2001 11:12 AM

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GRENDEL -

Has she done a cycle before? If not then go low with both... She will get the sides from it. I got no acne, but my voice has gotten lower and have gotten enlargement BUT it is nothing bad and quite enjoyable if I might add! LOL. Then again, really it all depends on what she is more predisposed to. She might get acne and nothing else? Who knows? Start low w/ the Deca for her if she hasn't taken anything before. My first cycle was DECA just by itself. I got GREAT results, put on about 25 lbs of just muscle but during the cycle i was incredibly "puffy" because I had soooooo much water weight retention from it. That is why I when I decided to do another cycle I put the Primo in it because it pretty much took away a LOT of my water rentention because it makes you harder. So this cycle it has help tremendously!!!
I'd say if she wants to gain a LOT of size, also depending on her weight now and what she wants to be, put her on 25-50mgs Deca/100 Primo per week. That will be fine. Primo will probably not give her sides bc its MUCH easier on the body than Deca is. Just be careful w/ the Deca, its powerful stuff for a woman! Awesome, but strong as shit!!!


MAD MITCH - Thanks for your suggestions, very informative post... I've been looking for the Test prop already but couldn't get my hands on it fast enough like I could w/ the sust. Not many people are here has just the Prop itself. SUCKS! Plus sust is sooo cheap compared to Deca its crazy!

I've decided though I'm going to go w/ a 1/2 amp (sust) for the first 2 weeks along w/ the same 100 Primo. See how that is and go from there. I just think my receptors have kinda shut down from the Deca/Primo combo especially because I only gave my body like 7 weeks to recoop after my last cycle. So a change might be good here. HOPEFULLY! We'll see. Today's the day so wish me luck!

AJ


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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 27, 2001 11:16 AM

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AJD Stay away from test period unless you are competiting at a high level. Deca is not nearly as androgenic as test and despite you 'already' having sides of deca do not think they would or can be compared to sides of a strong androgenic drug such as test.

Peace


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Busy_Mind

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posted March 27, 2001 02:38 PM

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bye-bye pretty titties...hello enlarged clit! LoL


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