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Novice 
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Whats up guys..i am just finishing up a 10 week cycle of sust 500mg per week..I am jumping right into a 300mg cycle of primobolan per week and some clen for cutting..my question is do i have to take the clomid now since im done with the sust or do i have to take it when im done with the primobolan..Thanks guys     | ||
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Novice
Posts: 6 |
BUMP | ||
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Novice
Posts: 7 |
Guys i need help with this one.. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 87 |
take it now to prevent your cortizol receptors form getting soaked which will lead to a crash meaning youll lose size rapidly if your own test level is not up to par. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2134 |
quote: Man you love giving bad info. The primo will control cortisol. I would take it now to get your nat test going. Primo will not effect clomid from working. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 328 |
Take it in 3 weeks time not now. Androgen levels are still going to remain high and will make clomid use right now not so effective. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
lawnsaver, you need to do more reading and less writing..primo controls cortizol??? you really are a freak. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2041 |
I smell a fight stirring up! | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
quote: How doesnt primo control cortisol?? How does clomid stop cortisol from rushing in?? Does it occupy the cortisol receptor? You dont know what you are talking about. Why do we use primo for bridging?? Because it helps maintain gains while you get you natural test level back. How does it help maintain gain? By preserving new muscle by keeping the muscles in an anabolic environment. If it didnt stop cortisols "muscle eating" effect it wouldnt work as a bridge. I still havent seen a correct reponse from you yet. Now what do you have to say!!!!! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." [This message has been edited by lawnsaver (edited March 24, 2001).] | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
I want to keep it up top for my friends reply ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1073 |
Lawnsaver is correct.. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2820 |
This is occuring too much nowadays. People are giving out such stupid advice and are talking about shit of which they know nothing about. Listen people, if you are not sure about something say that in your answer, in fact dont answer. No one is impressed by post count. Did I not make myself clear? If you know nothing then dont act like you are a fucking guru by answering every thread that is started This is not a flame but people actually do what posts tell them and when you give bad or poor information out you are fucking with someone else's body not your own. Before talking shit perhaps try doing what you recommend. Peace ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Absolutely spot on Iron_Game. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
Nyironman, This is like the 5th time in 2 weeks that I have caught you giving bad info. I keep telling you stop. It is so true, that if a newbie reads a response on their thread, they might take that advice unless a KNOWLEDGABLE member corrects you. Please for the sake of the newbie, make sure you know what you are talking about before you speak/write!!!! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
Lawnsaver is correct. Clomid will be most effective used 2 weeks post primobolan. At 300mgs there will be slight supression on the HPTA, which dosen't occur at 200mgs, so my opinion is to wait. It will work well. If you are not prone to gyno, use some HCG for 2 weeks before the clmoid...2500-5000iu a week will be fine. Also, include DHEA, Melatonin, and Velvet Bean in your post cycle recovery. 5 grams a day will do wonders on the velvet bean. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
Wtf is velvet bean. That sound cool. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
Velvet Bean is from the bark of a tree actually I beleive, but am not sure. It is 15% standardized L-dopa, which is a building block of Dopamine, which regulates growth hormone, moods, thought clearity, alertness, and androgen production. You can get it at http://www.beyond-a-century.com it's like $20 for 100 grams I think, that's enough for 10-20 days depending on how much your using. I use 10 grams a day post cycle, split in 2 doses, mixed in juice. Just do a search for "Velvet Bean", and look for the description I gave. -Meanie | ||
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Novice
Posts: 6 |
bumo to the top..lets keep this discussion going | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
Nyironman I'm still waiting!! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 231 |
quote: Damn MeanOne!!!! 300mg of primo slightly | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
First, DECA IS VERY SUPRESSIVE on the body's HPTA. It is based off a female hormone, and -CAN- bond to estrogen receptors in the hypo. The problem with this, is that it doesn't work like clomid, it in fact tells the brain there's too much estrogen, the the body stops androgen production WITH THE QUICKNESS! It takes about 3 weeks for the first Nor shot to really be used, and this is why many people have libdo problems while useing deca. Here the the difference however between 200 and 300 mgs of primoblan. Primobolan dosen't have a very high affinity to androgen receptors in general, much better than say anadrol, but not as good as winny. For this reason 100-200mgs is usually will not provide enough raw androgens to enter the receptors in the brain which control hormone production. However, at 300mgs you begin to run the serious risk of this... This is why we say 200mgs instead of something higher when bridging. I'm sure many things I said could be debated, but it's a difference of opinion at best. Either way, look at the "Bridgers" who don't have HPTA problems on 200mgs/wk. -Meanie | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
hey lawnmower, im not at all impressed with your 2105 responces all it indicates to me is that you need to spend more time training and less time typing wanna-be information. as for clomids and especially with tests you need to rejuvinate your follicle hormones so that it will enchance your own test level to increase thus preventing the loss of strenghth gains and size due to and get this in your head, that cortisol and only cortisol will severely effect muscle protein synthesis which will bring an unwanted state of catabolicism which YOU lawnsaver have probabaly experinced numerous times. the only time clomid may be delayed would be after 3 weeks from a sus injection but even still it can be taken simutaneously. now get away from that desk and start hittin the gym like everyone else is doing.get the grass out of your ears. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2820 |
quote: Allow me LawnSaver. Nyironman, you my friend should spend more time reading and less time giving advice on something you know little about. You first stated clomid will block or lower cortisol levels and that primo would do nothing. You are wrong so just admit it rather than burying yourself deeper The honourable man admits he is in the wrong, learns and moves on. You try and justify what is wrong and make it out to be correct. Oh and please tell me why taking clomid during your cycle should be done and is effective? Maybe as an anti estrogen but that is about it. Lately I have been ignoring what all the newbies on the board are saying (very incorrect and inaccurate info). And yes you have been one of them I have been ignoring but you know what? I dont give a shit anymore, if anyone says something that is 110% wrong then I will be all down there throats. This is not a flame to you, but for god sakes people dont pretend you know the answer to somethign if you dont. No brownie points here. | ||
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Cool Novice 
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To the Iron Game.... I am a newbie. I have gotten off d-bol (10mg a day) and test (25 mg a day). How much clomid should I take and for how long should I take it. Thanks | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2820 |
Gomo how long did your cycle last and do you only have clomid or do you also have anti estrogens. When did you or when are you due to finish? Peace | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
Thanks Iron Game... I am more than a bit embarrassed to say that I took 10mg d-bol orally for 2 years now. No breaks. I had no idea of what it was to cycle or how to stop start my natural test levels. I have wanted to normalize my test levels and began taking 25 mg test orally 3 weeks ago as I stopped d-bol. I have come to the obvious conclusion that I neede to learn and am ready to go forward with your solid advice. Flame me if you must. I see clearly the error of my ways now, but I can take it the verbal beating. LOL. Thanks Bro for helping me pull my ass out of the fire. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2820 |
Gomo firstly you need to go to the doctor and have your liver values checked. 2 years of dbol continous may have done some damage. Secondly which test is it that you have been taking orally? Andriol? Thirdly you have been on for a very long time and may find it harder to restore test levels. Shoot me an e-mail if you wish as this is going to take some time. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
GOMO, some things you should pick up ASAP -HCG (2500iu twice/wk) After two years of hormone supression, you have probably done some real damage to your body's endrocrine system and reproductive capabilities. Hopefully this combination of drugs will bring you back, but EXPECT it to take awhile. Test orally eh? Total taste in my opinion, Andriol is basicly worthless. I highly suggest going to see an endrocronoligist to do a general check up on your overall health. Don't lie to him, just come straight out and tell him what you were doing. Try not to use slang terms however, becuase most docs are stupid. Dbol is a slang term for big breasts as far as they know. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2820 |
MeanOne, Just spoken to him, liver values are fine, GGT, SGOT, SGPT are fine, LDL is fine HDL is fine. Perhaps we can all learn something from this and those 25mg tabs he has are not andriol so god knows. Gomo when ya get back you got mail. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
Well that's good. I didn't think he would have liver problems on 10mgs/day for 2 years. Hell one study I read gave aids patients 150mgs of anadrol a day for 13 months and didn't do any damage, lol! | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
Iron Game, Thanks for the back up while I was getting my beauty sleep! I am awake and ready to go. Nyironman, I dont need to waste my time debating with you. About my post #. It took me a long time to get these posts. I dont go on the chat boards and get 100 to 200 posts a night like some. These posts are from reading leaning and understanding info. This is something you should do, so you dont sound so stupid when you decide to grace us with your opinions. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
quote: Don't you mean to say Curse us with his opinions? LOL | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
My mistake! See, Nyironman a real man can admit when he's wrong! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 692 |
Well... I think this thread is pretty much wrapped up 
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Freak
Posts: 2134 |
AMEN!!!!! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 231 |
Guys, I learned a bunch here despite the tone of the thread. Thanks for the help MeanOne. So Clomid and Deca are both estrogen receptor antagonists. They both bind to the estrogen receptors. The difference is that Deca looks like an Estrogen and so reduces your body's natural test (the body's natural source of estrogen through aromatization). Clomid does not look like estrogen to your body and so it blocks your body's ability to detect estrogen causing an increase in test. Is there any mechanism for releasing aromatase activators that could be triggered by Clomid use? Do any such activators exist? P.S. Thanks for your help on the other post | ||
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Cool Novice
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This Message Board Rules ------------------ quote: [email protected] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 692 |
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Clomid will work best in the presence of an antiaromitase such as proviron to reduce clomid's competition with estrogen for the estrogen receptors in the pituatary.
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Freak
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quote: could it maybe be sublingual test 20mg, from chinaman--i know he use to offer it...figure i add that... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 493 |
WELL, I JUST FINISHED UP A DECCA/D-BOL/SUST CYCLE. I WAS ONLY ON FOR SIX WEEKS THIS TIME, AND I STARTED CLOMID AND NOLVA TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE END OF MY CYCLE. SO FAR, I HAVEN'T LOST AN OUNCE OF STRENGTH AND I STILL FEEL PRETTY GOOD. I KNOW I STILL HAVE SOME SUST AND DECCA IN MY SYSTEM, BUT I PLAN ON CONTINUING THE CLOMID/NOLVA FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. AN ADDED BENEFIT IS THAT MY NUTS ARE TOTALLY BACK. THE LAST WEEK OF MY CYCLE I NOTICED THE BOYS WERE SHRINKING A BIT. ALSO, A BUDDY OF MINE TOLD ME TO TAKE SIX CLOMID (50MG) THE FIRST DAY TO SATURATE THE RECEPTORS, AND I THINK IT WORKED BETTER. ANYWAY, SOME GUYS SAY TAKE CLOMID TWO WEEKS AFTER YOUR CYCLE ENDS, SOME SAY TWO WEEKS BEFORE, SOME SAY TAKE IT THROUGHOUT YOUR CYCLE. WHO KNOWS. I'VE TRIED BOTH BEFORE/AFTER AND I'VE SEEN BETTER RESULTS WITH STARTING IT BEFORE YOU FINISH YOUR CYCLE. JUST MY EXPERIENCE, THOUGH. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
Stew, great idea, do you have any clue what one might use for an "Androgen look alike?" Also, keep in mind about that receptor thing, that the receptor population in the muscles are going to be through the roof because of the cycle, so even if you were producing full natural levels of test+the look alike, I doubt you would fill them all. Although, I do see where your coming from, good circular thinking... Okay, the body has many receptors for Androgens and their dirvitatives. Deca can fit into some of these receptors, and act much like estrogen. It doesn't do this to a great extent, but you don't have that many receptors in the glands, so every receptor filled is a large majority over time. Clomid works by sitting in the estrogenic receptors of the hypo. and filling them, so that natural estrogen can't enter. The body thinks it is deprived of estrogen so it increase LHRH production, which increase LH hormone production, which stimulates the testies to produce hormones. Hope that was a good enough explanation, short as it was. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 514 |
Guys i didn't understand exactly what your position are about the clomid: post primo or durnig primo? I ended a cycle of sus with some weeks of primo to solidify the gains. i started the clomid 2 weeks after last sus shot. I took primo from 2 weeks before my last shot of sus to 5 weeks after. So i took clomid and primo toghether for three weeks. I had a great recovery and primo @ 300 mgs/w does not affect MY hpta, so it just helped me maintaining the gains while recovering. I will do this again since i know from expirience that such dose of primo allows ME to restore my own hormonal fuctions while still having an anabolic sustain. But again i did not undersatand your opinions , so please explain better. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
iron game..another know it all here. clomid or nolvadex can be used during a cycle if the person experiences a sensativity to estrogen. clomids alone will activate the hormones into restarting the process of building up your own test level.after taking a-50,dbal etc clomids are needed for post crash disorder other wise catabolic effects will be aserted. except for sus,test etc which has a prolonged activity to where your blood androgen levels continue to drop dramatically you may wait until 2-3 weeks later.i will win every time. | ||
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Freak
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Nyironman, give it up! Clomid WILL NOT restart natural test production while there are synthetic androgens in your system. Please quote Iron Game and tell us when he said nolvadex or clomid doesnt help with hightened estrogen levels. You said clomid will attach to cortisol receptors? Do they really? When did we say clomid wasnt needed post cycle? We didnt. Its the most important thing. Isnt Sustenon test also? What is "Post Crash Disorder"? You are making yourself look so bad, please keep posting so we can all keep laughing! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Freak
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Come on Nyironman dont keep us waiting!! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
lawnmower man, youre so far out of whack im sitting here with a crew of guys just cracking up on all your think you know it all input. this is better than watching the comedy shop!!you know so much about so little i bet everytime you see my responce you run right to the books and copy out your own answers. really man, youre in the wrong field. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
oh look its meanie...the #1 target of a mod conspiracy. and if anyone wants to see live unshaped,water retained,no defined biceps be sure to visit his web site with 3 actual amateur poses of his poor excuse untanned, shadow hidden arms.hey good comment on HCG i must say... | ||
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Freak
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That was exactly what I thought you were going to come back with. You dont have a CLUE about how to answer the question. Thats is why you said what you said. If you had a Clue you would have said something to what we were so gentlemanly debating. I dont think I have to say anything else. You have done it to yourself. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 939 |
NY, I'm sorry you won't get a rise out of me. You can provoke me all you want. The fact still remains that my opinions are not always agreed with, but respected, where your opinions are simply insulting to our intellegence levels. For that reason, you are not worth my time, energy, or effort. Sorry, nothing you say can lite the whick of my flame thrower. About the arms??? Hummmmm I suppose you have natural 276 inch arms, highly defined, vascular, and awing. Please post some pics of your arms. Sorry, you have just proven why you are not worth my time again, talking shit, never backing it up. I will say something, but guess what, I think I might be larger than 85% of the bro's on this board with a lower bodyfat percentage year round...I must be doing something right. Of course, I suppose my massive iggnorance simply aloud me to succeed by "Fate" or "Chance." Thanks for allowing me to establish your position on this board, and too me - which is nothing. MeanOne | ||
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Freak
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I'll bump for other vets to see the BS! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." |
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posted March 23, 2001 04:04 AM
