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 Low testo levels and i've tried EVERYTHING. HELP!! Where do I go from here?
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| Author | Topic: Low testo levels and i've tried EVERYTHING. HELP!! Where do I go from here? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 51 |
The story is, 6 weeks after a 12 week course of testex (500mg/wk) and deca (400mg/wk) I had my testosterone levels checked. They were 'abnormally low'. I had taken 3 shots of hcg 1000IU and then 2 weeks of clomid after I had finished my cycle but it didn't work, obviously. Its now been 10 weeks since i finished my cycle. I just started some more clomid - 300mg day 1, 200mg 5 days, 75 mg 10 days. I'm not sure if it will do the job because it didn't work the last time. And how will I know if they are back up to normal so I can start another course?? Also, if they are not back to normal, what do I do? Is it wise to start another course anyway or will i mess my levels up for good. Man, I really need some good advice. I really want to start some more but don't want to do myself damage. Advice is appreciated, L8R B_D_B    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 51 |
Also my sex drive is nowhere near as high as it has been, in fact, its non existent. Hope this helps. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 51 |
Bump! C'mon fellas, I really need the advice. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 113 |
sorry bro i cant help ya, but ill bump it up for ya !  | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 30 |
ill bump for this. im on my first cycle and don't want this to happen to me when i come off. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 75 |
Try another shot of HCG 2500iu with your clomid therapy. Also, Proviron should help with your sex drive so you may want to consider using that as well. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 7 |
a buddy of mine had the same problem, his doctor prescribed him viagra (hes only 21) for the sex drive and then he just waited it out. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 310 |
Keep this bumped for you. I wouldn't start another cycle until your t-levels are back to respectable levels. Keep with the clomid therapy and then have your levels rechecked to see if there is any improvement. If not, I would consult your doctor about the issue, maybe you will be able to get a legal script of test LOL. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 13 |
are you sure your clomid is legit. and ask your doctor to prescribe you some clomid but other then that no clue | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 389 |
jbone is heading in the right direction for you buddy. I would take 5000iu of HCG every five days three shots total along with 2 weeks clomid at 100mg and then 2 weeks at 50 mg. TAke some proviron along with them, say 3-4 25mg pills a day for a month. This is what sucks about steroid use, you get all fucked up with your sex drive and shit, that is the worst side if you ask me. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
If you're at the end of your options you may wanna try some form of Tribulus or ZMA or both. i know it sounds like sissy shit, but what do you got to lose? good luck. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1160 |
Go on a moderate dose of primo till your test levels go back to normal. BTW, deca shuts down your nads hard. You may want to consider doing a faster-acting nandrolone such as Durabolin in future cycles. You'll probably find your HPTA recovers much faster. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 136 |
i know you're not going to want to hear this, but taking a year off will probably get you back to normal | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2066 |
Viagra doesnt help with sex drive. It doesnt make you horny. Clomid and proviron will help. Hcg is only temporary. Try clomid again, 2 weeks isnt enough. the huck finn dose schedule is the best. Proviron will help with sex drive and wont effect clomid. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 37 |
Everyone is different, it could take you months to get it back to normal--just relax try some more clomid(say 3weeks therapy) and just wait it out--
It will go back up one day-- ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
eat,get good sleep, and take zinc, that should help some | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 49 |
I had the same problem years ago, the best thing to do is to stay off and whait and your levels will be back to normal. I had to whait 4 months to return back to normal level but u have to know that i hadn't used ancillary drugs (Hcg and Clomid). In any case i think that u start your clomid too early because u didn't wait that deca was completely out of u (it takes about 4 weeks after the last shoot). So if u say that now are 6 weeks from your last week of deca u are "clean" only for 2 weeks (6-4=2). Pobably now hcg and in particular Clomid will works. Good luck. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 822 |
HRT. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 3 |
had same problems years ago with my second cycle which was: week 1-6 dianabol max 30mgs/day week 1-8 decca 400mgs/week week 8-10 clomiphen at 100mg/day i remember that i kept most of gains made good luck robby | ||
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Novice
Posts: 10 |
ive adressed this on the other boards! ehan u admin hcg or clomid it can have the same reaction to ur test levels as cyp or sust would! ur takin too much eostrogen and the 300mg clomid and hcg is tellin ur body that it isnt functioning and ur body cant cope with it so it dopes nothing! give it 5 days and admin normal doses! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 51 |
Ok, since when has proviron been used for sex drive? Also, my doctor is a cunt, and i'm positive that if I ask himn for a clomid prescription he'll tell me to fuck off. The guy won't even know that clomid will help, he's clueless about the whole thing. I'm seeing an endocrinologist in late April. I'm worried by 2 things 1) I'll suffer muscle loss as a result of low testosterone. 2) How can i prevent this happening after my next cycle? Whats the best way - 2 week cycles? 6 week cycles? I've read that clomid should be took during a cycle, only after a cycle, and even only weeks after a cycle, and that hcg is useless. Whats the story guys. Too much damn conflicting information. L8r | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 399 |
I feel for you... I am in the EXACT same situation. I have been out 6 months and my blood work is finally somewhat close to normal. Doc perscribed me clomid and it HAS helpled alot. After being off for 6 months I have hit a wall. I, like you, do not want to skrew up my HPTA anymore. I have done much research and came up with the following.... 1. Anavar- can go up to 20mg with no HPTA surpression. Only downfall is it is EXPENSIVE as all hell 2. Primobolen- This is the option I chose. Have read you can go up to 400mg with no surpression but more safley at 300mg for no surpression.( also expensive but for me a better deal then anavar) I have emailed numerouse knowledgable vets with experience with the two drugs. To be honest I have heard nothing but good things. Think about a primo cycle, I am starting one on sun. If you want email me I will be having blood work done throught the cycle so I will know for sure how my HPTA is reacting with the primo. I woulod deffinatly wait longer though, here is a time frame of my test levels starting 10 weekes after me second cycle of decca and test Normals 11/30/00 12/16/00 1/31/01 After self clomid 100/50/50 for a second time 2/21/01( after the doc perscribed me clomid 50 mg eod for a month) So you can see they come back but it takes TIME. My LH is back fully and my test is only 5 points shy of normal. Fucked up thing is since my eyes were getting weird with clomid(which they always have, just brought it up and the doc freaked??)I just nead to give the word for test replacement therapy. I would wait a couple of months and then hit anavar or primo foz [This message has been edited by FOZY (edited March 23, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 373 |
if the clomid doesnt work, you can qualify to get a script for TESTOSTERONE CREAM. ------------------ MustangRacer27 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 51 |
Fozy, did the low testosterone levels affect your growth? I'm concerned that no matter how well I eat, or how well I train, I will not put on any worthwhile muscle, and may even lose some. Reading articles whereby men who need testosterone replacement have suffered muscle loss, tiredness etc, is very worrying. I feel deflated, and a sense of 'whats the point? you are wasting your time if you have low testosterone levels'. What do you think Fozy and others?? I've been off gear for 8-9 weeks. When can I start anavar/primo? B_D_B | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2066 |
quote: Thats what proviron is prescibed for. A low androgen level in men. It is a week androgen that increases sex drive and erectile function. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 51 |
How many and how often? Never thought of proviron as used for sex drive and erectile function. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 399 |
I think it has effected my growth. More so in a way that I feel like my BF is rising even though it may be psychological. I have not had my bf checked in over a year. There is no doubt about test effecting growth. Why do we shoot test in the firstplace??? As far as the tiredness, hell Yes i feel that hardcore. It is very hard for me to get up in the morning more so now then everbefore in my life. Feel very tired often. I know EXACTLY how you feel with the " whats the point" attitude. With low T-levels training feels useless. You just have to turn your cheak to this mentality. If your body is going to go to shit with low t-levels while your working out imagine what will happen if you don't work out??? I know motivation is low but just tuff it out. Eventually your T-levels will normalize but I would give them at least 5 months to come back ( It took that long for mine to come back to close to normal, and they are still sub normal) When they are somewhat close to normal I would start the primo/anavar. If your HPTA is still shutdown completely I dont see how anavar/primo are going to help the recovery although I could be wrong. If you shut down HPTA for to long sperm count decreases. If you want to have kids some day then I would suggest giving it more time. If you never let it come back you might be injecting test for the rest of your life with a high possibility of bein sterile My advice.....stick it out a little bit longer( use clomid) then hit primo or anavar BTW- What was your LH reading????????????This is a huge factor in whatis causing the problem in the first place hope this helps foz [This message has been edited by FOZY (edited March 23, 2001).] | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2066 |
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------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
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Hope this helps. |
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posted March 22, 2001 06:34 PM