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Mask

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posted March 21, 2001 07:57 PM

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Do you need Nolva if you're taking 400mg of Deca everyweek for 7 weeks?


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dissto

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posted March 21, 2001 08:01 PM

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deca converts to progesterone. nolva is an anti estrogen. so guess what? it wont do shit for progesterone induced gyno. the only thing that will help is winny and RU 486.


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deify

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posted March 21, 2001 08:15 PM

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Obviously RU 486 is not easily accessible to us all leaving me with a couple questions:

1) could proviron help with prevention of progest gyno? I'd figure it would give a harder appearance, and cut on the water weight. Probably not the gyno though, but I'd like to hear you're opinions.

2) How much Winstrol is needed to saturate the progest receptors? Being that it is water soluble, seems pretty inconvenient.


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MUSTANG_18

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posted March 21, 2001 08:34 PM

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DISSTO IS RIGHT. NOLVA WON'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP AGAINST PROGESTERONE INDUCED GYNO. WINNY AT 25MG/ED WOULD WORK GREAT OR RU-486 AS WELL. I DO NOT THINK THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO MUCH TROUBLE WITH DECA AT 400MG/WEEK THOUGH. GOOD LUCK ON THE CYCLE

M18

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Mask

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posted March 21, 2001 09:01 PM

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I just ordered a 3 gram (3000mg) bottle of Ttokkyo Deca. That's 10 shots of 300mg. Safety is my #1 priority. I don't want to lose hair, no bloat, and no breast. I can deal with acne and Deca dick... which I'm not using it for the moment (sadly). So what's the best way to cycle this thing? I don't want to go above 400mg and I want to use up the bottle for the cycle.

Plan A is to take 300mg shot every 5 days for 7 1/2 weeks.
Plan B is to take 400mg every week for 7 weeks and 200mg for the 8th week.

This is my first cycle so I really just want to stick with Deca and not mess around with anything else. Let me get used to what the hell I'm doing first before I start stacking stuff.


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Fonz

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posted March 21, 2001 09:08 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Mask:
I just ordered a 3 gram (3000mg) bottle of Ttokkyo Deca. That's 10 shots of 300mg. Safety is my #1 priority. I don't want to lose hair, no bloat, and no breast. I can deal with acne and Deca dick... which I'm not using it for the moment (sadly). So what's the best way to cycle this thing? I don't want to go above 400mg and I want to use up the bottle for the cycle.

Plan A is to take 300mg shot every 5 days for 7 1/2 weeks.
Plan B is to take 400mg every week for 7 weeks and 200mg for the 8th week.

This is my first cycle so I really just want to stick with Deca and not mess around with anything else. Let me get used to what the hell I'm doing first before I start stacking stuff.



Plan A looks good. No need to taper Deca at the end.

Godspeed


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Mask

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posted March 21, 2001 10:19 PM

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You guys know a way to take care of Progesterone? Any herbs or supplements out there?


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Zeke_B

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posted March 22, 2001 12:25 AM

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From what I've read, nandrolone converts to
progesterone at a lower rate than test
converts to estrogen. I think the most
common approach is to not do too much.
Some people are convinced that Winny is a
progest blocker...that one's been debated
several times.


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MattTheSkywalker

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posted March 22, 2001 12:28 AM

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Deca - gyno is not easily preventable.

winny helps for most but not all.

RU-486 is out there, but Marty and Doc Brown had an easier time finding plutonium in 1955 in "Back to the Future" than you will with RU 486.


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Mask

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posted March 22, 2001 10:15 AM

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but at 300mg every 5th day or 400mg everyweek of Deca only, I shouldn't even have to worry about it am I right?


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ORGANON CANON

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posted March 22, 2001 10:19 AM

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You shouold be safe, but everyone is different. Give it a try, it's the only way you can find out.


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RabbidWolverine

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posted March 22, 2001 01:04 PM

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Dont stack anything then::

Just go with a test(enan.,cyp,whichever)
at around 400mg weekly and use clomid w/cycle and post cycle--Clomid works as an antiestrogen---No gyno

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Cut the music-I AM NOT DONE YET


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