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Furio

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posted March 16, 2001 07:44 PM

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Starting my first cycle of 500mg Sust a week. I've got Arimidex, Nolva, and Clomid. I know to take Clomid 3 weeks after my last shot, but what about the Arimidex and Nolva. How much of what or both? Was thinking of not using the Nolva and just using 1/2 Arimidex eod. I searched the archives and found too many conflicting opinions. Had gyno removed once from being overweight. All help is appreicated. Thanks Bros!!


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Fonz

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posted March 16, 2001 07:59 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Furio:
Starting my first cycle of 500mg Sust a week. I've got Arimidex, Nolva, and Clomid. I know to take Clomid 3 weeks after my last shot, but what about the Arimidex and Nolva. How much of what or both? Was thinking of not using the Nolva and just using 1/2 Arimidex eod. I searched the archives and found too many conflicting opinions. Had gyno removed once from being overweight. All help is appreicated. Thanks Bros!!


Run dual anti-e's:

1. 1/2mg Arimidex EOD
2. 10mg Nolvadex ED

Godspeed


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Furio

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posted March 16, 2001 08:00 PM

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Thanks Fonz, but why both. Will my gains get hindered at all. More opinions please. This board is here to help.


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hooch

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posted March 16, 2001 08:02 PM

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What's the point of running Arimidex + Nolva??? Arimidex will prevent the aromatization of test (to estrogen)...being that nolva is an anti-e what role would it play??

I would just run the Arimidex....my .02


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Furio

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posted March 16, 2001 08:07 PM

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What kind of dosage for the Arimidex?


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MUSTANG_18

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posted March 16, 2001 08:09 PM

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IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE WATER DOWN FROM THE TEST THEN I WOULD USE BETWEEN 1/4-1/2 TAB OF ARIMIDEX EOD THROUGH OUT THE CYCLE. I WOULD NOT USE THE ARIMIDEX OR NOLVADEX BECAUSE I LOVE THE ADDED STRENTH I GET FROM THE WATER WEIGHT. I WOULD ONLY USE THEM IF I FELT GYNO COMING ON. JUST A THOUGHT. GOOD LUCK ON YOUR CYCLE

M18

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Fonz

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posted March 16, 2001 08:23 PM

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You guys need a science lesson.LOL

Arimidex is a aromatase inhibitor, it
will decrease the amount of test that
gets converted to estrogen by the
aromatase enzyme. Having said this
some test WILL still be converted to
estrogen, not to mention natural estrogen
expressed by the fat cells, therefore here
the only recourse left is the use of Nolvadex,
which being an estrogen-blocker will block the
rest of the estrogen from its receptor sites.

Godspeed


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Swollen

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posted March 16, 2001 08:35 PM

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Looks like Fonz has got this one under control...

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Cornellius

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posted March 16, 2001 08:38 PM

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Yep, on this dose arimidex will decrease the amount of estrogen, specially if you are takeing 500mg of test. Nolva will do the rest antiestrogen (not antiaromatization) work.


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MUSTANGRACER27

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posted March 17, 2001 01:17 AM

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Bravo, to FONZ! for his great knowledge. Thanks again FROZ . HEHE

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macrophage69alpha

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posted March 17, 2001 01:44 AM

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COMPLETELY DISAGREE

NOLVADEX is unnecessary.

FONZ has never taken test- not a jibe just reality

when taking test ARIMIDEX is more than sufficient- it will leave enough systemic estrogen for normal systemic functions- at least as much as is necessary for males, which as one might guess is not a whole lot.

NOLVADEX (if the anterior pituitary studies that COCKDEZL has posted have any relation to human pituitary estrogen binding) may, and probably will, negatively impact GH and other growth factors.


As far as dosages go, well this will vary because of individual testosterone metabolism, aromatase production, ester of test and amount used, and sensetivity to estrogen-

typical dose 1/4-1/2 mg per day

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posted March 17, 2001 01:59 AM

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Macro, the all knowledgeable one speaks, all shale listen.

Totally argee with Macro on this one.

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Fonz

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posted March 17, 2001 06:24 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by macrophage69alpha:
COMPLETELY DISAGREE

NOLVADEX is unnecessary.

FONZ has never taken test- not a jibe just reality

when taking test ARIMIDEX is more than sufficient- it will leave enough systemic estrogen for normal systemic functions- at least as much as is necessary for males, which as one might guess is not a whole lot.

NOLVADEX (if the anterior pituitary studies that COCKDEZL has posted have any relation to human pituitary estrogen binding) may, and probably will, negatively impact GH and other growth factors.


As far as dosages go, well this will vary because of individual testosterone metabolism, aromatase production, ester of test and amount used, and sensetivity to estrogen-

typical dose 1/4-1/2 mg per day

peace





This just gets better. Every-time I suggest
something remotely PROGRESSIVE,
it becomes pick-on-Fonz day. LOL
You have NO scientific
evidence whatsoever in that Arimidex+
novaldex is not necessary, you have just
your own OPINION.
And everybody knows I haven't done test, so why
go there? Anyways, Dball was a very good steroid to
test my idea. And it DOES work. If you like
feeling like the MIchelin Man, then follow your
own advice. Its pretty much that simple.
Arimidex+Novaldex is superior to Arimidex
alone. THIS IS UNDISPUTABLE.
Its early and I'm cranky, so I'm being a bit
blunt.

Godspeed

[This message has been edited by Fonz (edited March 17, 2001).]


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1911

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posted March 17, 2001 12:48 PM

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I have been researching the same scenerio (i.e. products, dosages) aggressively for the past month+. Variables; I have high natural Estradiol levels (as verified with a Chem Panel) and I am probably older than you (mid-30's). I won't bore you with details but these two factors, combined my products of choice, dosages and need to minimize bloat have resulted in the following decision: 1/2 tab Arimidex EOD weeks 2 - 12 for me. I'm leaving the Nolva for another day.

Later,


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Will B.Huge

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posted March 17, 2001 02:24 PM

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What I want to know is how do you get that little pill, cut into quarters.
Will


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cockdezl

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posted March 17, 2001 08:08 PM

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Arimidex is all that is needed, the Tamoxifen is overkill.

"You have NO scientific
evidence whatsoever in that Arimidex+
novaldex is not necessary, you have just
your own OPINION."

This whole board revolves around opinion, FONZ. There is little direct evidence for most of what we do, most everything is extrapolated. Also, Arimidex WILL prevent estrogen formation from adipocytes, since fat cells simply express aromatase and convert androstenedione to estradiol.


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BigWh1tey

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posted March 18, 2001 01:21 AM

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Arimidex would be all you need . My animals use .5mg day @1000mg T a week . Less didnt work well , EOD didnt work as well either . My Bull found it better than his old anti-e stack of prov@50mg/day and Nolva20mg/ day


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Pharm Animal

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posted March 18, 2001 05:44 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Fonz:
....not to mention natural estrogen
expressed by the fat cells.....

i know i'm being picky on this one, you're wrong on this one Fonz.

"Arimidex WILL prevent estrogen formation from adipocytes, since fat cells simply express aromatase and convert androstenedione to estradiol." -cockdezl

this point needed to be emphasized more. estrogen is not expressed through ANY male RNA at all....the only endogenous source of estrogen in the male body is through aromatization and the aromatase molecule, which is expressed in adipose tissue.

PA




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