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Cornellius

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posted March 14, 2001 07:20 PM

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I just finish reading Bodyopus by Dan Duchaine. He talks a lot about the anabolic superiority of a zero carb diet, and how ketones can be used as a energy source. So, I wondered why I have never seen some one bulking while on zero carb.. Any opinions??


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Fonz

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posted March 14, 2001 07:32 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Cornellius:
I just finish reading Bodyopus by Dan Duchaine. He talks a lot about the anabolic superiority of a zero carb diet, and how ketones can be used as a energy source. So, I wondered why I have never seen some one bulking while on zero carb.. Any opinions??


YESS, finally, my area of expertise.
While on a mass CKD you will gain less fat
per pound of muscle gained, that is a scientific
fact. I've persobally done a 10-week mass CKD
and the results were impressive.
I weighed 169lbs, and went to 189lbs after 10 weeks
with only a 4lb fat gain. I was eating 6000Kcal of fat
and protein per day w/ a carb-up on weekends.
First week I vomited after 3 days due to the
food choices, but after a week I got used to it.
BTW, Duchaines Bodyopus is the best book
I have ever read. The section on the 50
top drugs is great, not to mention the sections
on diuretics and blood osmotics, they are
hugely enlightenning!!!!!

Godspeed


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Cornellius

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posted March 14, 2001 07:37 PM

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Thanks Fonz...
Yes Bodyopus is awesome I have it under my arm since I got it.


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GLP

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posted March 14, 2001 07:58 PM

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I am intersted in trying that next bulk cycle. One thing I drink a shit load of milk and milk has some carbs in it is that ok. Aslo what kinds of food do you eat was thinking whole milk,steak,cheese,eggs stuff like that? seems like a lot of calories to get with just fat and protine.


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MR. BMJ

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posted March 14, 2001 08:00 PM

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Interesting...FONZ, how many calories were you consuming per day (not the carb-up)?
MR. BMJ


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Fonz

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posted March 14, 2001 08:04 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by GLP:
I am intersted in trying that next bulk cycle. One thing I drink a shit load of milk and milk has some carbs in it is that ok. Aslo what kinds of food do you eat was thinking whole milk,steak,cheese,eggs stuff like that? seems like a lot of calories to get with just fat and protine.


GLP Bodyopus is SUPER strict.
Its basically a 75% at/25% diet for 5 days
with 0 carbs(well , less than 20g /day)
followed by a 2 day carb-up.
The crazy part is that on the first day of
your carb-up you have to consume 16g/Kg of #
carbs. Thats right 16g/Kg!!!! When I weighed
170lbs, I had to eat 1220g of carbs in 24 hours!!!
Needless o say I was sooooo stuffed!!!!!
But it DID work....

Godspeed


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StoneColdGold

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posted March 14, 2001 08:26 PM

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Fonz-- is eating that many carbs on the weekend only if you are bulking? What about bodyopus for losing weight (maintaining muscle, losing fat)??? Are the reccomendations different in that case?


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gettingdiesel

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posted March 14, 2001 08:35 PM

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That is an amazing book. I have done bodyopus on several occasions for roughly 6-8 weeks at a time. I got real lean and don't think I lost much muscle at all. I am not sure if I could gain weight on it though. It is super strict and I could not consume enough carbs on the weekend. You have to eat so much, but I still loved it and will do it againl.


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Cornellius

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posted March 15, 2001 11:51 AM

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On the carb up you have to eat carbs every two hours, even on the night!!!


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Fonz

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posted March 15, 2001 11:59 AM

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BODYOPUS

For BULKING:

1. Calories at 25+ per pound of bodyweight.
2. 75% fat/25% prot ratio

For dieting:

1. Calories at 10 times per pound.
2. 75% fat/25% prot ratio

The Carb-up is exactly the same for bulking
and dieting.

Fri-Sat: First 24 hours:

1. 16g of Carbs per kilogram of lean body mass.

Sat-Sun: Second 24 hours:

1. 6g of carbs per kilogram of lean body mass.

THIS IS THE BEST DIET I HAVE HAD THE
HONOUR OF TRYING.
I THINK DUCHAINE WAS AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS
AS THIS DIET WORKS WITHOUT THE AID
OF ANY ENHANCEMENT.
GOD REST HIS SOUL.

Godspeed


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mike001

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posted March 15, 2001 12:56 PM

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just one question man,
wht in the world can you sit and eat that has no carbs for the weekdays!?? all i can thank of is tuna, hehe
any help?

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***CANCUN***


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Rugby

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posted March 15, 2001 01:44 PM

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lots of meat and poultry and cheese... thats it... Not for me


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