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Elite Bodybuilder 
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I decided to not go through with my proposed anabolic Mega stack in favour of doing a test cycle.(No flaming, I'm just curious about how "good" test really is). I can pretty musch tolerate all the sides, except increased back hair growth. Now THAT is something I DO NOT want. So if anybody has any good ideas regarding eliminating hair growth please feel free to post it. I am going to do a 900mg/day DNP cycle these next 2 weeks to drop to 6% BF from 9.5%BF, clear my receptors and start some serious bulking. I want to bulk for 8 weeks at these dosages: Run through weeks 1-8 1. 1000mgs week sustanon (I refuse to start with anything less, I've read too many discussions on the subject) And like MeanOne, I take BIG to get BIG. Well...1000/week.....ain't exactly BIG...but hey it's my first test cycle. 2. 600mg Deca Week(9th week on Deca) 3. 800mg EQ/week. (not sure if I should drop this to 600mg/week. The only problem is that I don't get hungry at 600mg/week) 4. 50mg D-ball/day (and please no flames here, 8 weeks of D-ball is nothing. I've gone 12 weeks at 50mg/day with no problems) (I'm going to be trying out a new anti-E stack) and anti-P) I think Cornellius first brought this up in the HPTA thread posted by MeanOne 5. 50mg Proviron/day 40mg Novaldex/day 1/2mg Arimidex/day 200mg RU-486 E3D This might seem like over-kill, but I'm not willing to take ANY chances. No winstrol/anavar/primo or anything else. They'd just be a waste. I'm saving them for my bridge then doing a cutting cycle with them+ HgH. Finished researching HgH, and it looks very, very good if taken at doses of 4-5IU's a day in order to avoid "gigantism". I really don't want square jaw. Ulter if you're out there has your HgH use had any type of effect on your maxiliar region, in terms of increased bone growth? I'm dying to now..... Also, big question here, has anybody actually run Testosterone concurrently with Fina? And I don't mean hearsay, or my buddy... I mean really done it himself. Mr.H if you're around I'd appreciate the help. I want to take 75mg ED to keep my hardness up as I'll be going to the beach in Spain with my friends and a girl I've liked for a long time. So, I do not want to look like the Michelin Man. I've converted the Fina from the kit by A to a 150mg/ml concentration. Strangely, could not get 200mg/ml even though A has said it is possible. Probably my fault, A is a very knowledgeable chemist, definately knows his stuff. Finally, I'm glad to say my date last night went great. I feel whole again.......HeHe.. Godspeed and thanks     | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1850 |
Primo, Anavar, Winstrol just a waste ??? If hair on your back is a concern, it can be removed through use of a laser. You will need at least 4 treatments (or up to 7). It is not that expensive. Even if after months some hair come back, they also can be removed after. It's not painfull unless you got a sun tan. So if you would follow a treatment be sure not to have any tan. When tanned you cannot tolerate the power of the machine and they have to reduce it. Meaning hair will be less affected, so a waste of money. The higher the power on the machine, the higher the shock you get (one hair at a time), the better the result. Hope this helps, ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2498 |
Wow you sure got some time on your hand buddy. I would just put in my opinion, it is very short and sweet. If you have been on deca for 8 weeks so far at 1000mgs of deca along with the eq and the orals you are on then do not expect to be too pleased with the results you will experience off the test. You would need 1000mgs of test or there abouts to really notice anything. Perhaps consider coming off for 4-6 weeks, hitting your dnp post cycle, clomid, proviron, nolva and clen. By giving your body a break you will be very pleased with the results of the test, I would personally use a faster acting test such as enanthate or cypionate. Maybe I misread this bit but 1000mgs of deca with 75mgs/daily of fina + test + dbol is only asking for some major sides. How much Ru 486 are you planning on using? I dont know of anyone who has even used remotely the amounts you were on and I dont believe there are any studies that have been done on such high amounts. This is gonna majorly mess up your body, your hormones are gonna be haywire (lack of cortisol from the RU 486, test levels god knows howmany times above normal, growth hormone, estrogen, insulin and all their subsidaries). Major stress on your body. I too think Big to get Big but step back for a minute. Peace Oh and if anyone replies for you to go ahead without taking a break I will really have to question their thoughts.
E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina [This message has been edited by The_Iron_Game (edited March 14, 2001).] | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5858 |
I would say you'll grow on that stack,lol...As far as the hair on the back thing,try using proscar to keep DHT under control if worried about it,as I believe DHT is concurrently responsible for giving most men the "shining pate" and "ape back" appearence,lol... | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2498 |
Oh boy, hehe | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
What about dropping the Deca and therefore the RU-486? I mean I am running EQ......... And Jeff, thanks a lot about that idea. Its just that not many guys go to Laser salons in Spain. Its going to be VERY embarrassing. But hey, I'm up to it. Huck, proscar+Deca at the same time is VERY bad. I think you said that like 2-3 weeks ago. What changed your mind? And guys, I want to GROW this summer. I will not have a lot of time next year as I have to do my MASSIVE 5th year project next year, and I will not have time for bulking just maintenece. So, the fires will get stoked this summer.LOL Godspeed | ||
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Guru     
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Happy growing on that stack. The test I think is good for your first dose of hit that 1.75g that you posted at AF was a bit high for first time test user. Hair growth has never been a problem for me, but you see some guys look like hairy apes (no fense huck lol) on good doses, Im not sure you much you can do about that. The laser stuff is expensive and isn't permaneant (no matter what the adds say) and as I understand it you need to visit frequently. I just started Test at like 500 or so with some fina I have been running at 75 eod - so far no problems, and I love test - fina is awesome but test gives me something I was lacking. A thought: If you were to drop deca and the RU - I might consider adding in proscar or some other type of finasteride to ease that prostrate and hairline. I imagine the ole prostrate might be swelling up on this one, I know mine does - so I use finasteride at about 2mg ed to keep it in check. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Moderator
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LOL...I'm getting senile in my old age fonz,didn't pay attention to the deca/finasteride connection...Drop that dirty little progestin  outta there and you're good to go...Seriously,the eq ran at those higher dosages will be more than sufficient my man... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
IG, why use a different Test ester? Can get Cypionate, Sustanon, Suspension, enanthate or Heptylate. As long as it comes in a vial(and not an amp) I'll take it. Going to substitute the Deca for winstrol. Definately also running the Fina at 75mg ED for 8-10 weeks. Been researching Fina too. My friends and I found it to be neither estrogenic nor progestenic. Its basically in a class by itself. It basically "sometimes" latches on to the estrogen receptor and "sometimes" to the progesterone receptor. But is rather weak at activating both the receptors. Strange. Godspeed | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2498 |
Personally I think sustanon is very much over rated. Not only do many experience 'the sust flu' but 'sust causes no water retention, no estrogen spikes and so on' is all bull. The prop in sust is very much a waste unless you are shooting at least every third day but closer to 2, and many people claim sore injection sites because of the prop. Enanthate is faster acting, gets in and out quicker and suppose you shoot 1000mgs of sust alone, do you start eating like a pig from day one or from day 10? Enanthate is the only test I will use from now on. That said if you only have access to vials then World Generic make a 200mgs/ml strength and by SD Labs I believe comes a 100mgs/ml strength and both come in a 10ml vial and are readily available in the UK. Its just my opinion, I am totally against sust | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
quote: MIIAAAOOOWWW!!!!! LOL IG Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5858 |
Not to mention the different ester chains taking up a good deal of molecular weight per ml = less active substance deliverable per cc.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
quote: Enanthate is starting to sound better by the minute......... Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
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You're a wise man,Mr.Fonz  | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2498 |
quote: lol although Huck did mention it, I would personally say the difference in raw test between 250mgs of enanthate and 250mgs of sust is not really the issue here. What it would be 180mgs of raw test for enanthate compared to approximately 170mgs? of raw test in the sust. I think what I am getting at is Sust Sucks ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
quote: I got that impression from your recent posts.LOL Just one other question, how about using 100mg Suspension 4 hours before a workout for a big test spike?(Using 100mg/ml suspension) Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5858 |
Are you trying to make sure that no steroids get jealous that they're being left out? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
quote: LOL Huck. No, its just that all the literature states that enanthate will give you steady levels. But waht would happen if you spiked your test levels before a workout with suspension? I'm guessing more growth. And besides it would only be 4 times a week. I'm going to be doing weights a la Munzer (well....sort of). Extremely heavy, low reps. But none of his 15min workouts. I'm going for 1.5-2 hours. Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5858 |
There's no question it would have an impact on your workouts...Strength,intensity,etc... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1091 |
around and around in circles we go again, yet once more. test this, test that. clomid, proviron, and arimidex, oh my! blah, blah, blah....heheheh FONZ, i really hope you have put this much effort to your diet and training. if so, i expect a lean muscle gain of 25 lbs after HPTA recovery can you list your diet plan? PA | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
quote: Hey PA, I have a very unique diet plan. 1. I only eat 6 meals a day. 2. For bulking I eat between 25-30 times my bodyweight in pounds. 2. On average I get about 500-600g/prot/day 3. I do not take the same amount of protein at every meal. This would meanabout 90g Prot/meal. Instead, here is the kicker. This was discussed by myself and Huck in the thread about protein manupulation for increased anabolism. Out of the six meals, five of them contain a casein/whey/egg mixture with roughly 60g protein each. The rest is carbs and fat. Then, one of the six meals is extremely high in protein(200-300g). This is alot of protein let me tell you. I also rotate the high-protein meal from meal 1, to meal2, to meal3,etc.... every day to fool my body. For dieting, smal frequent meals are the way to go(less insulin produced). But for growth the opposite is the case. Anyways, hope that helped. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1091 |
frequent feedings allow for greater anabolism and more food....please explain why you don't want frequent meals during mass cycles PA | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 212 |
if you want a test spike before you go to the gym, shoot your fina 1 hour before you go and eat 3 of your dbols. I don't see this extra boost being necessary, considering all the shit you will pumping into yourself. I would say hold off on taking the nolva dex until you see the onset of gyno. Many feel nolvadex cuts into your gains. You are taking proviron, And you have plenty of anti-e's lying around. Hold on to them until you need them or until You can't take the bloat any more. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 114 |
Damn good thread boys! It probably wont need any help staying at the top but...BUMP | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
quote: Here is my rationale. For the body to be in an anabolic state, there must be steady-state levels of amino-acids in the blood stream. Eating frequent meals will not increase the amount of aminos in the bloodstream, they are pretty much constant. You still obviously have to eat protein throughout the day to keep them that way though. With the avent of slow release proteins(casein), its just not necessary to feed the body so frequently. The extra protein will just be oxidized. Now, lets imagine that one meal a day is composed of so much protein that it overwhelms your system. Amino acid levels in your bloodstream would sky-rocket up-wards creating what I call "hyper-anabolism"(LOL). The body faced with such a high amount of protein would not be able to readily oxidize it, and would rather deposit it as lean tissue or fat. But, if you've been following a resistance program I'm willing to bet the extra protein would go to the formation of lean tissue. Any other ideas? Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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interesting theory! i'll have to think about this one on the shitter a few times...LOL PA | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
Ok, I'm going with: 1. 1000mgs Enanthate a week 2. 100mgs Suspension on WO days. 3. 100mgs Winstrol a day 4. 50 mgs Proviron/day 40mgs Novaldex/day 1/2 mg Arimidex ED 5. 800mg EQ/week 6. Dball at 50mgs/day 7. Fina at 150mgs EOD All this for 8 weeks...... I'm ommitting the Deca and the RU. Godspeed [This message has been edited by Fonz (edited March 14, 2001).] | ||
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Moderator
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Oh,I like it...I like it alot,haha...Just monitor your BP closely on that bro,as that's a lot of androgens swimming around in your system... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1012 |
quote: You bet. I'm going to try for 30lbs of this stack..... Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5858 |
I look even more forward to this one than the deca one,haha... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 830 |
(Sorry to come in late on this guys, couldn't return to the house or the office last night or today because I was starring down the barrel of my fathers gun, while cocking mine - family fuds are interesting in our family, LOL) Anyway, take some time off brother. Let those receptors clear out. You will be very pleased with the results if you do. Enanthate is a greeat thing, just stay away from the T200 crap. Why don't you like amps? Cheap, more potent per mL normally...100% sterile each time out. Anyway, If you use sustanon all the way through, bump your first dosage up like stated above. Dbol for 8 weeks isn't so bad, but just be ready to lose some water at the end. Suspension is my favorate test, if you want to throw it in towards the end of your cycle, I think that would work very well. Yes, I've done Fina+Test, VERY EFFECTIVE for strength, aggression, and mass gains. I really like it, however, don't use fina while on Deca unless you have an unlimited supply of the antiP drug. HGH is wonderful, hopefully it's priced better over the lake there, then it is here in the states. In a side note, if anyone knows how to INCREASE hair growth, I'd like to know, lol. (Grow facial hair at the rate of a 3 YO swedish girl.) -Meanie- | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 212 |
if you start experienceing gyno, start taking the RU-shit. You know the gyno would be Pr based due to the numerous anti-e's you have running. |
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posted March 14, 2001 10:54 AM