EQ = weeks 1-12 (3-400mg/wk)

TestCyp = weeks 1-6 (4-500mg/week)

Winny - weeks 7-12 (dose TBD)

(I may alter the time that I switch from Test to Winny, it depends upon the gains I get).
QUESTION:

If I get Arimidex to keep water retention low, and to hold off any Gyno issues, is there any reason to get Nolvaldex or Proviron at all?

NOTE:

Its not the cheapest ya know .....

I figure it would be good to have some also for a few weeks after the cycle, so I need enough for 15 weeks I guess.

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" That which does not kill me, will make me stronger"

Why use something else post-cycle when I am on Clomid? Is the Arimidex not enough? Are you saying use Prov while using Clomid? AND using Arimidex?

So deducting from this, it seems that 1 mg of Arimidex (perhaps even 1/2 mg) daily should be sufficient for your cycle.

There is no need to add Proviron to this regimen. No further anti-estrogen action is required as Arimidex needs no help. Perhaps you should save Proviron for post cycle to replinish your testosterone levels if you are unable to obtain clomid.

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Originally posted by Riker29:
is that 1/4 to 1/2 ED?

Why use something else post-cycle when I am on Clomid? Is the Arimidex not enough? Are you saying use Prov while using Clomid? AND using Arimidex?

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If you are unfamiliar with Proviron, you should know that the clinical use of this drug in Europe is to treat hypogonadism. Some Physicians prefer this drug because 1) it is reported to raise testosterone levels 2) it does not inhibit the body's own testosterone production 3) it does not aromatize at all. There is no clinical evidence of Proviron being an anti-estrogen but the anectodal evidence is abound.

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Originally posted by sv:
So deducting from this, it seems that 1 mg of Arimidex (perhaps even 1/2 mg) daily should be sufficient for your cycle.

There is no need to add Proviron to this regimen. No further anti-estrogen action is required as Arimidex needs no help. Perhaps you should save Proviron for post cycle to replinish your testosterone levels if you are unable to obtain clomid.

Hope this helps.

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Using proviron to replenish test levels if he doesnt have clomid?

Using a 1/4 tab daily is sufficient for approx every 500mgs of test.

Peace

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Originally posted by The_Iron_Game:
Using proviron to replenish test levels if he doesnt have clomid?

Using a 1/4 tab daily is sufficient for approx every 500mgs of test.

Peace

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Yes, use of Proviron to restore testosterone levels was advocated by a French physician specializing in hormonal anamolies who also used to post here four years ago. I grant you that it is somewhat surprising but if you read Schering's package insert for Proviron you will see that the primary use of this drug worldwide is to treat hypogonadism. How well it works is another issue and hence the reason I hedged my bets by recommending Clomid as the first option. :-)

As far as the amount of Arimidex is concerned, 1 mg is what was recommended by the Greek physician who wrote the article in Dirty Dieting. On the other hand, Life Extension Foundation's testosterone replacement protocol calls for 1/2 mg of Arimidex used *twice* weekly. So 1 mg daily might very well be an overkill.