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THE WHITE BUFFALO

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posted March 12, 2001 11:35 PM

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I have decided to to try Fina. I have a question about dosage using the DMSO method. I am 6ft 1inch and 255. So I have heard up to 6 pellets a day, is that too much or too little. Also with the DMSO which works better the Gel or Liquid. Thanks!


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benzo27

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posted March 12, 2001 11:38 PM

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Average doses are 75 to 150 mg eod. Since you are using it with dmso you will loose about 20% absorbtion, so 6 pettlets a day might be in the range you need for someone your size. As far as the gel or liquid, I have used the gel and found it easier than the liquid. Now though I am injecting it and prefer it much better.


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THE WHITE BUFFALO

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posted March 13, 2001 12:12 AM

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Who is the man to contact for a Fina Kit? Thanks


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lawnsaver

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posted March 13, 2001 12:25 AM

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Ask a mod for animals email addy or go to www.syntholdirect.com

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BruZer

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posted March 13, 2001 08:00 AM

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The kits are not illegal so try [email protected]

BZR


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cockdezl

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posted March 13, 2001 06:50 PM

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For all those interested in transdermal applications of steroids, here is a study on testosterone gel:

J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000 Dec;85(12):4500-10

"Long-term pharmacokinetics of transdermal testosterone gel in hypogonadal men."
Swerdloff RS, Wang C, Cunningham G, Dobs A, Iranmanesh A, Matsumoto AM, Snyder PJ, Weber T, Longstreth J, Berman N

Divisions of Endocrinology, Departments of Medicine/Pediatrics, Harbor-University of California-Los Angeles Medical Center, Torrance, California 90509, USA.

Transdermal delivery of testosterone (T) represents an effective alternative to injectable androgens. Transdermal T patches normalize serum T levels and reverse the symptoms of androgen deficiency in hypogonadal men. However, the acceptance of the closed system T patches has been limited by skin irritation and/or lack of adherence. T gels have been proposed as delivery modes that minimize these problems. In this study we examined the pharmacokinetic profiles after 1, 30, 90, and 180 days of daily application of 2 doses of T gel (50 and 100 mg T in 5 and 10 g gel, delivering 5 and 10 mg T/day, respectively) and a permeation-enhanced T patch (2 patches delivering 5 mg T/day) in 227 hypogonadal men. This new 1% hydroalcoholic T gel formulation when applied to the upper arms, shoulders, and abdomen dried within a few minutes, and about 9-14% of the T applied was bioavailable. After 90 days of T gel treatment, the dose was titrated up (50 mg to 75 mg) or down (100 mg to 75 mg) if the preapplication serum T levels were outside the normal adult male range. Serum T rose rapidly into the normal adult male range on day 1 with the first T gel or patch application. Our previous study showed that steady state T levels were achieved 48-72 h after first application of the gel. The pharmacokinetic parameters for serum total and free T were very similar on days 30, 90, and 180 in all treatment groups. After repeated daily application of the T formulations for 180 days, the average serum T level over the 24-h sampling period (C(avg)) was highest in the 100 mg T gel group (1.4- and 1.9-fold higher than the C(avg) in the 50 mg T gel and T patch groups, respectively). Mean serum steady state T levels remained stable over the 180 days of T gel application. Upward dose adjustment from T gel 50 to 75 mg/day did not significantly increase the C(avg), whereas downward dose adjustment from 100 to 75 mg/day reduced serum T levels to the normal range for most patients. Serum free T levels paralleled those of serum total T, and the percent free T was not changed with transdermal T preparations. The serum dihydrotestosterone C(avg) rose 1.3-fold above baseline after T patch application, but was more significantly increased by 3.6- and 4.6-fold with T gel 50 and 100 mg/day, respectively, resulting in a small, but significant, increase in the serum dihydrotestosterone/T ratios in the two T gel groups. Serum estradiol rose, and serum LH and FSH levels were suppressed proportionately with serum T in all study groups; serum sex hormone-binding globulin showed small decreases that were significant only in the 100 mg T gel group. We conclude that transdermal T gel application can efficiently and rapidly increase serum T and free T levels in hypogonadal men to within the normal range. Transdermal T gel provided flexibility in dosing with little skin irritation and a low discontinuation rate.

Notice the bioavailability of transdermal testosterone: 9-14%. Don't expect tren/DMSO to be any higher than 20%.


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