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3B

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posted March 12, 2001 10:29 PM

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I'm 200lbs training 6/7 years (hey, i started REAL small) and I'm planning my second cycle

My initial plan was
wks 1-5 dbol(20mg/ed)
wks 1-10 omnadren 250mg/every 5days
nolv. as and when and clomid at the end

what i was thinking about was this:
i only have 10 omnas, would i be better off with omna at 500 for 5 weeks 500 till week 3/4 then 250 after that? i think either 250 for 10wks or 500 3wks then 250...

my second question is about deca. i've done some research and i think i would be advised to add this in to help sustain gains. am i correct or should i use some primo/clen/winny post cycle instead?
also, at what dose am i going to encounter prog. gyno? i'm thinking of adding deca in for either 200mg or 400mg with the sust but i can't get anything to combat prog. gyno (except winny- but does this really work?). should i forget deca and go for something else to maintain gains?

sorry this is so long but thanks for any advice, it's appreciated.
btw please nothing on the dbol: i tried it b4 on low doses and was v.pleased, the most iw ill go this time is 25mgd ED

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3B

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posted March 12, 2001 10:33 PM

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i don't beleive it, while i'm writing this there's already another deca/sust post.
sorry...but i DO know about the nolvadex and clomid so that's a\noit an issue here.


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vinnie

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posted March 12, 2001 10:48 PM

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you should use dbol 25 mg a day for at least 6 weeks. deca at 400mg a week. use clomid afterwards. some people have problems with gyno and some dont. it all depends on the person. but better to be on safe side.
just my opinion.
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Will B.Huge

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posted March 12, 2001 10:53 PM

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You wait and get some more omna's and take 500 a week 250 is no safer, your natural test is going to shut down at 250 so why not use more, the more test you take the bigger you get.
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3B

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posted March 13, 2001 02:29 AM

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ok thanks for the advice on the dbol and omna
how about prog. gyno though? will winny really keep it from developing? and will i need anything at a dose of 400mg or less/week?


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mike001

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posted March 13, 2001 02:31 AM

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yes winstrol will help!

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3B

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posted March 13, 2001 02:36 AM

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ok winny will help, but at what dosage and how rapid is it's effect (i don't want to be injecting it for 8-10 weeks if i can help)

and anyway will i really need it at 400mgs and less?
thanks for the advice anyway


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Big Johnson

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posted March 13, 2001 02:44 AM

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DON'T DO MORE THAN 200MG/WEEK DECCA. BUMP UP YOUR TEST INSTEAD.

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3B

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posted March 13, 2001 02:50 AM

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thanks, but will 200mg do anything? i'm all for low doses if they work.
any more opinions?


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Vovan

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posted March 13, 2001 03:36 AM

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Here's a cycle for you:
week***dbol*******omna******deca****winny
******mg/day****mg/week****mg/week**mg/eod
1*******15********1000*********************
2*******20********750**********************
3*******25********750**********************
4*******25********750**********************
5*******25********750**********************
6*******25********750**********************
7***************************300******50****
8***************************300******50****
9***************************300******50****
10**************************300******50****
11**************************300******50****
12**************************300******50****

I'm at week 8 of this cycle and I found it very good. Awesome results in mass and strenght gains...

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Vovan

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posted March 13, 2001 03:40 AM

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it's basically my cycle... i also use proviron, nolvadex and a lot of other stuff... btw I'm up from 204 to 225 with this.

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Vovan

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posted March 13, 2001 03:43 AM

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oh! one more thing! lol
I use Durabolin (nandrolone phenylpropionate) not Deca in this cycle...


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stickboy

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posted March 13, 2001 03:51 AM

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just drink the winny 50 mg eod and you will be fine, no reason to inject if you only want it to act as a progesterone antagonist. and yes, it works


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3B

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posted March 13, 2001 11:12 PM

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thanks alot for all the advice.
and once again thanks to you vovan and for the advice last time!
i'll hopefully be starting soon so i'll post updates


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Mass Monster

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posted March 13, 2001 11:30 PM

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Vovan, don't you think 1000mg to 750mg might be to high for a bro just getting back into it? With 500mg for 8 weeks he would be all set.

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Vovan

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posted March 14, 2001 01:57 AM

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No, I think it's ok. It's my 2nd cycle and 1st bulking cycle. And I'm pleased with the results

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