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 HAS ANYBODY USED OR TRIED LIPOIC ACID? ANY GOOD RESULTS?
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 872 |
I WAS INTERESTED IN USING INSULIN BUT I AM NOT WILLING TO DEAL WITH THE RISK. BUT I READ ABOUT A NATURAL ALTERNATIVE CALLED ALPHA LIPOIC ACID. HAS ANYBODY USED IT AND GOT GOOD RESULTS FROM IT? AND CAN IT SHUT DOWN YOU NATURAL PRODUCTION OF INSULIN? SERIOUS RESPONSES ONLY PLEASE. [This message has been edited by JUICESEEKER (edited March 12, 2001).]     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 872 |
BUMP. COME ON, I NEED SOME ANSWERS. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 95 |
alpha lipoic acid is an insulin sensitizing agent. it's not going to shut down insulin production, but i can't imagine that it would help with anything. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
I heard you have to take 300mg twice a day to notice the glucose uptake effect. I'm taking 200mg twice a day and it's not doing that. Have you tried Vanadyl Sulfate? That one, I guarantee you'll feel the pump. As an antioxidant, alpha lipoic acid is superb because it's both water and fat soluble. It could travel all over your body to hunt for free radicals. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
As somebody whose used ALA for 4 years now, I can honestly tell you it kicks ass. The common misconception is that ALA works like Insulin. Wrong. ALA does nothing to insulin levels, it does however drastically increase glucose up-take by 50%. Normally, a human being can hold roughly 350g Carbs in storage as glycogen, well by using ALA(at 600mg/day), you can increase that storage capacity to (350+350*0.5=525g carbs). Conversely, if you don't want the extra carb storage, you could be creating a 600Kcal calorie deficit everyday. Thats 1.2lbs of fat a week by only adding ALA. It is also a kick-ass antioxidant as it is both fat and water soluble(a phospholipid). It is stronger than both VitC and VE. It is also very good for us gear users as it increases oxygen transprt to the heart by about 32%. Hope this helps... Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 255 |
fonz that was some good info man, i didnt really know what exactly ALA did.. i was gonna add it to my dnp supplementation, but since it was alittle pricey, i skipped..but i will start using it in my cutting cycle..does it have to built up in your system? how fast does it work? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
Doesn't have to buid up over time, and works instantly. As an adjunct to your DNP cycle I HIGHLY recommend it as it is the BEST free-radical scavenger on the planet. As you probably know, high amounts of free-radicals are generated by the rapid fat-oxidation generated by the DNP. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1437 |
quote:It does. Thats very good factual and anecdotal little tutorial. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 466 |
hey fonz, i don't really uderstand the way ala can create a caloric deficit. Can you explain better and make an example of use for a person who is dieting. thanks | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
Ok Fener. Imagine your muscles being able to store only 350g Carbs. And lets say your Metabolic rate per day is 3000Kcal. If you consumed 3000Kcal(and 350G carbs/day) per day and you did 600Kcal worth of aerobic excercise in the morning you would not lose weight. However, if you took ALA, you would increase your glycogen storing capacity to 525g carbs/day. This would create a deficit of 150g Carbs(600 Kcal) in your storage capacity. Now, if you did 600Kcal of excercise in the morning like always you would draw your expended energy from your fat stores instead of your glycogen stores since they are not full. Hope this helps.... Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 466 |
clear fonz, thanks. so for a dieter what dose do you reccomand and when? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: Minimum dose is 600mg a day. 200mg three times a day should do it. I've gone as high as 2000mg a day, but that was mostly on CKD carb-ups(1000g carbs a day). Hope this helps.... Godsdpeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 364 |
thanks JUICESEEKER! if you hadn't asked this question, i wouldn;t have learned anything new today. so, fonz does ALA give a fuller look to our muscles because of the extra glycogen storage? it must also help keep our strength | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 506 |
I'm such an easy sell. I just got back from GNC with 2 bottles of Alpha Lipoic Acid. I want to use it for the increased glucose uptake. I did use it during DNP for the antioxidant effect but wasn't aware of its glucose uptake abilities. I was looking at some new product called Insulene and one of the main ingredients was ALA. I didn't know what the other ingredients were so I didn't jump on it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Fonz, where do you get your Lipoic acid? Kilosports sell them for $70 (1000 pills). I'm kinda holding off buying from them because it's suspiciously too cheap. The one I'm using (Natrol) cost 4 times as much. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
Fonz, thanks for the good info, Juiceseeker, thanks for the question. Good info. here for sure. I learned about this place yesterday from Blackop, their prices are awesome: http://www.nathigh.com/ This is from their site: Alpha Lipoic Acid 300 mg by NATROL That's $0.13 per milligram. If someone can beat that, let me know. That's a great price. I am not affiliated with these guys at all, as I said, I just learned of them yesterday but figured I'd add it for anyone that has never heard of them. Their prices are beating the hell out of what I was was doing. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 271 |
I used while eating way over maintenance level calorie wise and I felt I put on less fat while bulking. Could have been my imagination, haven't used it since due to all the money I am spending on other stuff. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 102 |
Couldn't you use metformin 850mg 2x per day for a similar glucose effect? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: Nope. Metformin HCL only increases glucose up-take by 10-40% depending on the individual and gives you some gastric pain(indigestion). ALA on the other hand increases glucose up-take by 50% and has NO side-effects whatsoever. Gospeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Hey 40BP, Kilosports has them for .07 cents per 100mg (your Natrol cost .13 cents per 100mg). But to be honest with you, I rather spend the extra .06 cents for the Natrol brand rather than the no name bulk brand. I haven't seen any Natrol brand flunk any purity test yet. Here's the link for the Kilosport: | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: Damn too bad they don't ship overseas, I pay $36 for 18000mg(90*200mg) AST research. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Fonz, not everyone can ship to Mt. Olympus. www.nathigh.com is still less expensive than the one you're paying and they ship overseas. Are you sure kilosports don't sell overseas? They e-mailed me a while back saying they sell stuff to Sweden. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: LOL. No I live in the UK like Iron game, but we have to pay VAT on any imports(17.5%+admin.fee) so I usually buy it from a UK source or netrition. Thanks for the URL though, I'll call them and enquire as I use vast quantities of ALA. Godspeed | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2560 |
good topic, what does ALA have a better use for bulking or dieting????? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: RR, for bloody both. Think about it. It lets you create a bigger caloric deficit while dieting and it minimizes fat gain while buling. Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1749 |
kilosports is a good quality at a low price- if you want really cheap you can buy a kilo and then cap it yourself (single O caps) are about 400mg ala/per cap. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2560 |
i meant which one do you think it is more effective for---i realized it work for both but is it better for one over the other... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: My personal favourite is for bulking. More glycogen=more endurance and more strength. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
Hey Fonz, What do u think about ALA,and a creatine transport drink? Do you thinkthat it would help increase absorption of the creatine as well as the glucose? I was thinking about doing this during my post cycle recovery, along with clen, clomid, and glutamine. I might add pro insulin fuel by twinlab, mainly for the 50mgs of vanadyl it has. let me here your thoughts on this thanks | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 466 |
thanks fonz, before i go get it 3 more things: 1 should i take it with a big carb meal or whenever in the day?(i assume best time is postworkout, right?) 2is it worth to stack ribose with it or just a waste of money? 3i know you allready said it has notthing to do with insulin, but sice i'm very carb sensitive i 'm afraid it could make me gain fat by stimulating insulin. is this in anyway possible? thanks a lot for the info. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: Definately a good idea. For creatine transport, the best bet is: 75g Dextrose(or any High GI carbs)(little or no fat) 10g Creatine 200mg Lipoic Acid Basically the Cell-Tech formula except theirs is greatly marked up. You can't get better than this unless you add insulin. And Vanadyl Sulphate sucks. Its been proven to interfere with Amino Acid up-take into the muscle ell. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 950 |
quote: 1)Anytime you eat carbs, take the ALA as it will minimize fat gain. 2) ALA does not amplify riboses effects. Creatine+ribose is synergystic though. 3) ALA does not cause the secretion(or over-secretion) of insulin. rather it increases glucose transport into the MUSCLE cells, therefore minimizing glucose transport into the FAT cells. Hope this helps.... Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 62 |
So should you take it with your meals, or before your meals, or after? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
Thanks for the help Fonz!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 400 |
so we are saying that it is selective for glucose uptake and is independant of protein and fat uptake...so this will not make you fat with a mod carb, hi prot, mod fat diet |
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posted March 12, 2001 08:33 PM