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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 12, 2001 04:55 PM

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I have researched this but most posts always compared the sides vs gains of 250mgs of test compared to 1000mgs of test. If anyone out there either from personal experience or knows from a friend please post the info. I am wanting to know the difference in gains between 1500mgs of test and 2500mgs of test (enanthate). I am not interested in the sides between the two mentioned doses, just the difference in gains and of course no one can answer this but I am looking for a rough % increase. I would estimate about 10% can any of you good members go into a little depth.

Thanks

I also understand that the recommended dose for using arimidex is one-eighth to one quarter of a mg of per day for every 500mgs of test that is used.

What proviron nolva combo would be best suited for 2500mgs of test to keep gyno at bay and prevent too much water retention. I dont mind 5-10lbs of water but dont really wish to go above that.

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ironmaster

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posted March 12, 2001 05:10 PM

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I'm not a scientific guy, can only speak from personal experience - 30 years of it - but there is definitely a law of diminishing returns with gear quantities. Truthfully, I don't notice that much difference with anything over 1250cc weekly, in the usual stack, probably something to do with receptor saturation. Conversely, doubling up dbol or anadrol gives noticeably improved results in the short term.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 12, 2001 05:17 PM

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Thanks IronMaster, the problem is I have been advised to stay away from orals for the time being, so I was thinking of upping the test to compensate for this. I have shot 1500mgs of enanthate this morning and 400mgs of eq, I am now thinking to either up the eq to 600, or the test to 2000-2500mgs. I have until Thursday to make up my mind.
Currently thinking about the eq though, test should be sufficient at 1500mgs.

Peace

Also would appreciate if anyone can tell me about eq and how long it took them to notice an increase in appetite.
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posted March 12, 2001 05:26 PM

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Iron Game, I'll be interested to see if you get better results with the higher doses of test than I did. Keep me posted. I have gone as high as 800cc eq.-no huge improvement. If you can't do the orals, how do you feel about insulin? I got an extra 8 lbs. on the test/dbol/eq cycle with insulin last time.


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posted March 12, 2001 05:35 PM

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I have looked a lot into insulin and gh, I can cope with the gh (apart from the price) but the slin is simply too advanced for me right now. I know how anabolic it is but am not prepared to take the risks it comes with at this period in time. Perhaps when I get bigger and find it much harder to gain then I will give it a try. Thinking of a compromise, 500mgs of eq and 1750mgs of test.

Thanks for the words,

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GLP

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posted March 12, 2001 05:44 PM

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Iron game you probably already know this so dont be offended but watch your prostate at those doses bro. I did a cycle of 1000mg week and 3000mg the first week to get the levels up high let me tell you I had to pee at least 3 times a night but since the procar that has gone away. Not sure but I bet if you threw in some dbal at low doses like 25mg a day you would get just as good results without that many sides. Dont know for sure just a thought. Cant wait to start my dbal test stack people say that it is the shit!


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For me, GH is better to get ripped than for mass. Regular springtime ritual here. Insulin is really as easy or easier to use as GH. You just have to take it slow and find your dose. If you get glycemic, a tube of glucose will fix you right up. Too much GH, on the other hand, can cause severe joint pain which will stop your training cold. But you sound like a smart brother, so follow you own instincts and you will be fine.


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The_Iron_Game

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Thanks GLP, believe it or not I have found the 3 main culprits for acne in me in order:

Anadrol & Deca joint first
Winny and dbol joint second

Test for some reason havent suffered that bad, I dont know why but it is. I am also growing tired of walking round popping pills all day long

It would be nice to use an oral but I want to see if these two alone will cause major acne or if I can keep it under control. Had to previously stop a cycle due to stretch marks and some severe acne. I should also mentioned I am also going to be running some accutane in about 2-3 weeks time so would rather play it safe than sorry. The accutane treatment will last for about 5 months at 40mgs/day.

Peace and Thanks

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strengthmonster

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posted March 12, 2001 05:52 PM

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Are you realy considering 2 1/5 grams?
You are my new hero. No seriously I think it's overkill and would personally opt for something else if you can't have orals for a while. Try Equi, Deca or even Primo depot. My last course although not as highly dosed I used 1g test with 300mg primo and had great results so in ratio to your test at 1500 I'd go for 400 - 500 primo depot.

Oh yeah one definate side effect of 1.5-2.5 would be a much sorer arse!


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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 12, 2001 05:56 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by strengthmonster:
Oh yeah one definate side effect of 1.5-2.5 would be a much sorer arse!

Hehe, Ok I have decided 1750mgs of enanthate which is equal to 1260mgs of raw test and 600mgs of eq. I was going to be using suspension to semi replace an oral but after my first shot last night I can tell you it will also be my last. I thought the stinging sensation I got from primo was bad!

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GLP

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posted March 12, 2001 06:12 PM

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Iron game your going to get swoll the fuck up! Know about acne man stopped my cycle 2 months ago and still popping zits on my back it looks like a rash. Not a big deal will hit the tanning bed and nobody will be the wiser.


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ultragainz

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posted March 12, 2001 06:44 PM

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i dont think i would go over 1000mgs of test a week..but thats just me juiceing the easy way.(sometimes).lol

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