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theman43

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posted March 10, 2001 09:42 PM

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I will be starting my first cycle in April. It will consist of the following: Sust250, one shot a week for eight weeks. D-bol, 15mg per day for the first four weeks. Clomid will begin two weeks after the last shot, and will consist of 50mg per day for weeks one and three, and 100mg per day for week two. I know these dosages are low, so what type of gains can I expect? The reason for the low dose is possible effects on the liver when combined with medications I'm currently on I take Vioxx and Depakote, both of which can damage the liver. I have my levels checked annually as a result. My stats are 5'10", 175 lbs., and 27 years old. I train three days per week, with each bodypart trained once. I have been training consistantly for around five years, but eleven in total. I eat 4000-4500 calories per day. Any help would be appreciated.

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plifter

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posted March 10, 2001 10:20 PM

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my first cycle was 15mg/day only 5 days a week. I gained about 15 lbs in 12 weeks. my bench went from about 285 to 335.

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beefmaster

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posted March 10, 2001 10:32 PM

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I like it for a first cycle even at the low doses. You could keep 10-15 lbs or more from it if you eat clean high calories considering it's your first cycle probably more. Good luck

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pittbull2

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posted March 10, 2001 10:32 PM

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My first was 250mgs Enanthate & 100mg DECA week and gained 16lbs. at 5'6 163 to 180

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b fold the truth

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posted March 11, 2001 02:32 AM

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Hey man...why are you taking those meds? I take depakote 250, 2x a day for migraines. My sister takes it for epilepsy. I just take my gear with milk thistle.

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MUSTANGRACER27

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posted March 11, 2001 04:17 AM

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if this is your first cycle and you are not totally a fat ass, I speculate about 15-20 lbs max

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theman43

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posted March 11, 2001 11:13 PM

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I take the Depakote for seizures. I've only had four in thirteen years. The doc says I probably could discontinue use, but in my job, which is nuclear security, it probably wouldn't be wise. I take the Vioxx for a back injury sustained in a car accident. The ligaments that attach my ribcage to my spine were damaged, and my spine rotated to the right a bit. Lifting definately helps with the pain, probably more than the meds.

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giantset

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posted March 11, 2001 11:52 PM

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If you are worried about your liver then I wouldn't suggest using dbol or any other oral. Use 500mg of test instead or throw in 200-400mg of primobolan, eq or deca with the 250mg of test. The NEJM did a study that showed using 600mg of test a week will not significantly elevate liver values. Test is pretty safe and any side effects like edema or gyno can be avoided by using an aromatase inhibiter or an anti-estrogen. You really don't need an oral to "jump start" a cycle. You can use a higher dose for the first injection to build-up the drug in your system faster and then you will see results more quickly.

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Demon

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posted March 12, 2001 07:13 AM

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My first cycle was simply 200mg of T200 a week. I put on 20 lbs and kept about 10 of it. I don't think you need that much juice when you first get started.

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