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pittbull2

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posted March 10, 2001 09:28 PM

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Well the doc put me on cholesterol med LESCOL 40mg a day. Anyone know if I can take this med and do Test & Deca or Eq?


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40butpumpin

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posted March 10, 2001 10:08 PM

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You ought to try taking high doses of No-Flush Niacin (Inositol Hexanicotinate) for the high cholesterol. Works for me, I take 1200 mg three times per day. If it works 4u then you don't have to worry about mixing with the juice.


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pittbull2

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posted March 10, 2001 10:17 PM

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Well my doc told me I couldn't take high doses of niacin because it could give me diabetes.hmm I don't know.


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Anabolicum Mister

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posted March 10, 2001 10:43 PM

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Gear can adversely effect your lipid profile. If you already have a condition that requires you to take medication, then it may be unwise to take steroids at any time.


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40butpumpin

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posted March 10, 2001 11:07 PM

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"No-Flush" Niacin is not the same thing as regular Niacin at all. You're right, no one should take a lot of "regular" Niacin. Do a little research on it, it may be worth your while.


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stretch

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posted March 10, 2001 11:42 PM

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You may really want to think this over before you start using gear with this. Anabolicum, is right, gear can also affect your cholesterol. Make a wise decision.

Good luck


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HamStuffer

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posted March 11, 2001 03:28 AM

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I had the same question about Lipitor. I have been on both Lipitor and Dbol, Deca, and Sustanon. No problems after 8 weeks, but I have been more tired than usual....


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pittbull2

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posted March 11, 2001 02:16 PM

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Bump! I need to hear more I've been off for atleast 11 weeks now and my cholesterol is still up cholesterol was 208 which is not too bad but my (LDL)=161.3 High on a scale of 56-130 and my (HDL)=25.9 is Low on a scale of 26-63 and my liver is off too (AST)= 49 (ALT)=80 ALBUM =5.3 Total protein =8.3 so the doc put me on Lescol 40 mg for a week and he will recheck me to see if my liver numbers get worst he let me know from there what to do for as medication.


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40butpumpin

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posted March 11, 2001 02:23 PM

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I originally posted this in the Supplements section but pasted it here because I thought you might find it useful. No-Flush Niacin is *not* the same as Niacin and will help you at high doses.

Inositol Hexanicotinate Niacin (Vitamin B3, nicotinic acid) is an important cellular mediator. Niacin is metabolized primarily in the liver to niacinamide which is a precursor to two co-enzymes: nicotine-adenine dinucleotide (NAD) and nicotine-adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADP), which are responsible for carrying out numerous reduction-oxidation (red-ox) reactions. Unfortunately, niacin has considerable number of side-effects which include: flushing of the face and neck with pruritis and burning skin, gastro-intestinal complaints and weakness. There effects are due to histamine release from mast cells, starting approximately 20 minutes from ingestion and lasting approximately 1 1/2 hours. Side-effects can be minimised by addition of aspirin which may create further problems. Most people discontimue its use before ever reaching optimal theraputic doses. Sustained-release preparations may minimize flushing but can cause severe hepatotoxic effects. In fact, over 40% of pateints on plain niacin and its sustained release format discontinued therapy because of side-effects. More serious chronic side-effects may include hepatotoxicity, hyperperuricemia, glucose intolerance, exacerbation of (peptic ulcer, skin disorders, ocular) effects and postural hypotension.

A new safer form of niacin is the form inositol hexaniacinate also called meso-inositol or inositol hexanicotinate (IH). Chemistry The molecule consists of six molecules of nicotinic acid and a central inositol molecule. IH is slowly metabolized reaching peak seum levels after 10 hours. Physiological properties and therapeutic uses:

(1)Hyperlipidemias. Large doses of Niacin reduces total cholesterol and triglycerides, low-density-lipoprotein (LDL), at the same time elevating high- density- lipoproteins (HDL). Niacin uwphosphodiesteraseux adenylate cyclaseuxCAMP levelsuxFree fatty acids from adipose tissue uxFFA to the liveruxsythesis of LDLuxTG and cholesterol. Niacin also increases degredation of cholesterol from the liver and the synthesis of lipoprotein A-0, and independent risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Furthermore, niacin prevents the oxidation of LDL particles, prevents the oxidative stress by converting the smaller more, easily oxidised LDL particles to larger, oxidation-resistant LDL particles. Clinically, IH has been shown to be a more potent antihyperlipidemic and antihypertensive than niacin. Compared to niacin IH reduced cholesterol by 79.5% (c.f. 74.9%), triglycerides by 63.2 % (c.f. 30.9%) and blood lipids by 62.2% (c.f. 58.3%). Clinically, IH has been shown to significantly reduce cholesterol at a dose of 400mg tid. for one month followed by 400mg qid thereafter for a total of 40 weeks in 16 pateints without any side-effects.

(2)Peripheral Vascular Disease (PVD). IH has been shown to be highly effective therapy in the treatment of PVD including: Raynaud�s syndrome and intermittent claudication. IH increased blood flow and raised temperature in the distal portions the digits (hands and feet) as well as raised temerature and healed necrotic areas of fingers. All the studies repoted a lengthy duration of treatment before improvement of symptoms. (e.g. 4 gm daily for 12 weeks).

(3)Dermatological conditions. IH was found to improve various dermatological conditions including acne, dermatitis, herpetiformis, exfoliative glossitis, puritis, scleroderma and psoriasis.

(4)Antihypertensive. A single dose of 200mg IH reduced blood pressure an average of 30mmHg for 12 hours.Physiological properties and therapeutic uses continued;

(5)Antimigraine

(6)Anti-alcoholism. Elevated levels of acetaldehyde are postulated to contribute to addiction in alcoholics while a possible deficiency of NAD is believed to cause restlessness and irritability. IH oxidizes alcohol to reduce acetaldehyde levels and also saturate NAD receptors in the brain to abolish a possible deficiency of NAD. IH had advantages over niacin in supplementation of this group because of the already comprised liver status.

(7)Dysmennorhea. Hudgins reported that a group of 80 women suffering from painful menstral cramps supplemented with 100mg of niacin twice a day for 7 days before the onset of menses and then every 2-3 hours during heavy cramps experienced significant relief in over 90%. The side-effects of high dosage of niacin might be offset by IH.

References i.Sunderland, G.T., et-al., (1988). �A double blind randomized placebo controlled trial of hexopal in Raynaud�s disease�. Clin Rheum; 7: 46-49. ii.Grundy, SM., et-al., (1981). �Influence of nicotinic acid on metabolism of cholesterol and triglycerides is man�. J. Lipid Res; 22: 24-36. iii.EL-Enein, AMA, et-al., (1983). �The role of nicotinic acid inositol hexanicotinate as anticholesterolemic and antilipiemic agents�. Nutr. Reports; 28: 899-911. iv.Gibbans, L.W. et-al., (1995). �The prevalance of side-effects with regular and sustained-release nicotinic acid�. Am J Med; 99: 378-385. v. Hudguin, A.P., (1954). �Niacin for dymennorhea therapy�. West J Surg & Gyn; 62: 610-611. vi.Figge, H.L., et-al (1988). �Nicotinic acid: A review of its clinical use in the treatment of lipid disorders�. Pharmacother; 8:287-294. vii.Head, K., (1996). �Inositol Hexanicotinate: A safer Alternative to niacin�. Alt. Med. Rev: 1: 176-184.


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pittbull2

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posted March 11, 2001 04:02 PM

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Where is the best place to get no flush -niacin?


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40butpumpin

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posted March 11, 2001 04:28 PM

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I get it from Life Extension Foundation
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00373.html

They carry Twinlab's version. Schiff also has it but I thought I got a better buy on the TL one from LEF.

Good luck bro.

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