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 Got somethign for MeanOne... research on Anadrol
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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"A new study shows that one of the most powerful oral anabolic steroids improves lean muscle mass with no significant side-effects. (1) Oxymetholone, formerly sold in the US as Anadrol-50, was given for thirty weeks at a 150 mg/daily dose. Weight gain averaged 14.5% of bodyweight, which is significant because there was no exercise program instituted, but it is known that anabolic steroids exert their greatest effect when weightlifting is employed. While oxymetholone is considered to be a harsh steroid with a high potential for side-effects, the subjects were reported to have no significant problems with liver function, water retention, virilization, and several side-effects thought to be associated with its use, at a dose that is three times what many bodybuilders would use, for considerably longer than they would generally use it. The study didn�t look at CD8+ T cell counts, which appear to be more correlative with survival than CD4+ T cells,(2) which were not correlative with weight gain in this study." 1. Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficienty virus (HIV-1) infection. Hengge, et al. Brit J Nutri (1996) 75:129-138]
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Guru     
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Nice post Stew. That's 29lbs for a 200lb person. Not bad for not working out. ------------------
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 801 |
I can't recall where I read that from, but I know I've seen that before. Either way, good to hear somebody else has found a study to suggests that anadrol may not be the bain of steriods. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1026 |
nice bro.........later ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 147 |
I am taking it 100mg per day and prefer it to Dbol 50 mg a day | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1746 |
those gains are seen in patients with HIV... perhaps you should take this into consideration before going off on a pro- anadrol craze. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 959 |
But would you say 150mg or anadrol promoted more growth than 150mg of dbol... ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1878 |
A similar study was done with 600mg of enanthate given for 10 weeks. The guys averaged 13lbs over the 10 weeks peroid with no training program. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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i agree, nice post and informative as well. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1746 |
the enanthate study was done in healthly subjects. the non training control group gained avg. 7lbs(i think, actually might have been more) lean mass ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Stew no offense, but that particular study was debated for hours by myself and meanOne. Oh, and MeanOne, the guy who orignally posted it was Panerai, I remember. All I'm going to say is that particular study does not qualify as evidence o suggest Anadrol is benign, as you don't see many underweight HIV positive bodybuilders running around. Hell, at the time even MeanOne agreed with me. I willl re-iterate what our conclusions about anadrol were: 1. It doesn't cause liver damage at dosages rangingfrom 1mg/Kg to 5mg/Kg but, here is the kicker 2. IT IS THE ONLY ORAL STEROID LINKED TO CANCER AT A DOSE OF ONLY 3MG/KG MeanOne also agreed on this point. So stew, do me a favour and read the actual study before posting such a farciccal document. (no flame intended) Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 801 |
Okay, hold the fuck on here. That study said the subjects had no adverse side effects, water retention, acne or all the other crap you guys talk about Anadrol. Their liver enzymes were fine! More over, I don't care if someone has aids or not, if they didn't retain water, didn't grow progestrogen breasts, they didn't. The weight gain is not important, we all know multiple drugs will pack on the mass, the study just suggests that in this case, the often talked about side effects are mostly rumor, with only partial truth. Fonz, I'm been thinking about the study with the lab rats...then I picked up some biology books, and I have come to find that the liver of a rat is nearly %150 smaller per ounce of bodyweight, than that of a human. This alone suggests that the animal couldn't use the same dosages as a human per ounce, or kg. Just something I thought might raise your eyebrow. We don't need to debate this...I've done 10/day, and I have had no liver problems, and am walking around fine. Maybe some can't, I can, and as long as I'm not dying of liver cancer, then guess what...I don't care what a study done on animals with livers 150% smaller per ounce of bodyweight can safely use, because that fact alone makes the study bunk. Thanks and have a nice evening. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 869 |
Interesting comparison between the rat liver and a human liver. That does deserve further research. But you still have to agree the study Stew posted is complete garbage in regards to Anadrol use in healthy bodybuilders. I'm not disagreeing with you on the liver issue, regarding anadrols hepatoxic effects, its just we've yet to come accross a bonafide anadrol study regarding healthy males at dosages exceeding 300mgs/day. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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No, Fonz, I do not appreciate the flame and it does not make you look smarter than you actually are.
quote: I could care less is someone else posted this info before me. I came across this research in my reading and decided to post it as others may have not seen the Panari post as I have not.
quote: What is this supposed to mean? The fact that bodybuilders are not underweight has nothing to do with the effects of liver toxicity and other findings of this study that support Anadrol use.
quote: Well, you don't seem to agree or sound like there was a debate for hours on the topic as you don't seem to have any of the same conclusions in your posts.
quote: Again, critisism does not make you sound like you are intelligent. How about do ME a favor and read the actual study before offering your uneducated comments about its specifics. I provided the refrence. If you HAD read the actual article, you would have noticed that the HIV+ individuals that it used had no AIDS related side effects. They may very well have been bodybuilders. HIV+ does not = AIDS. The study consisted of healty young adults. You may be interested to know (if you had read the actual research) that there was a subgroup that contained patients WITH AIDS related symptoms and the anabolic effect was significant but not was not as prominant as in those healthy individuals. -Stew | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: I could care less is someone else posted this info before me. I came across this research in my reading and decided to post it as others may have not seen the Panari post as I have not. quote: What is this supposed to mean? The fact that bodybuilders are not underweight has nothing to do with the effects of liver toxicity and other findings of this study that support Anadrol use. quote: Well, you don't seem to agree or sound like there was a debate for hours on the topic as you don't seem to have any of the same conclusions in your posts. quote: Again, critisism does not make you sound like you are intelligent. How about do ME a favor and read the actual study before offering your uneducated comments about its specifics. I provided the refrence. If you HAD read the actual article, you would have noticed that the HIV+ individuals that it use "....uneducated comments......" That just made my day. Oh well, 4 years of University down the drain........ Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Jeeeeez, go out back and beat the shit out of each other but stop playing the teenybopper routine for all to read. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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So, let me get this straight. If a person was to have the flu, and didn't have side effects from anadrol, you couldn't SUGGEST that a health person, or a person with down syndrom would also not have side effects? If anything I would think having aids would increase the demands placed on the liver for various reasons... An illness does not stop hormone conversion or water retention...aids or otherwise. Fonz, we can sit and argue for hours (We spent an entire day in 3 posts doing so Stew, it was classic), but you know what, when it comes right down to it, if you can't use anadrol because of genetic inferiorities you have, but I can, more power too me. However, if primobolan was to produce excellent gains for you, and not so for me, more power to you. Basicly, use what works good for you. Stew just posted that because it partially suggests that the sides may not be all that they are cracked up to be. -Meanie- | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I respectfully agree MeanOne. <bye> | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Fonz, I did not mean that you were "uneducated" in general. I only meant that you were uneducated as to the details of this experiment. I wasn't trying to be a butt... well, not to that extent  -Stew | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Thanks stew, but it really isn't necessary... I think I'll just make a quiet exit. I haven't got the time and ressources to help newbies if all I get is blatant disrepectfulness. This isn't directed to you, just some people. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Fonz, let's be fair. You did make the first assult on Stew about posting the study. I mean, when you snack someone in the face, expect them to hit you back, so to say. I'm not blaming you, or anything along those lines, you stated your opinions, just not in a manner to promote a high level of respect and peace. What the hell is he talking about...implant gun? WTF? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: White boy, I posted the implant gun thread on Dec.26. You hadn't even registered then, so please go crawl back under from were you came from.. And MeanOne, I know I lost my cool with Stew, but I'm starting to get tired of all the bashing that happens on the board. I've probably helped dozens of people out, and all I get is flames. Oh well, not for much longer.... Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: fonz was whining about always getting dissed I thought maybe this is why | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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"those gains are seen in patients with HIV... perhaps you should take this into consideration before going off on a pro- anadrol craze." True, MACRO, the gains seen in HIV subjects is most probably exacerbated by their cachexia, but the real question is, "Were they on any of the anti-HIV combos while using oxymetholone?" I would be impressed if they were still using the anti-HIV meds and showed no liver abnormalities with oxymetholone, which all together should have been a whopper of a liver burden. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 378 |
Hepatocellular carcinoma associated with anabolic steroid therapy: report of a case and review of the Japanese literature. Kosaka A, Takahashi H, Yajima Y, Tanaka M, Okamura K, Mizumoto R, Katsuta K Department of Surgery, Matsusaka City Hospital, Mie, Japan. We report herein the case of a 35-year-old woman with aplastic anemia who developed hepatocellular carcinoma after long-term therapy with oxymetholone. She was treated with 60 mg/day of oxymetholone for 3 years (total dose 64.8 g). Alpha-fetoprotein, hepatitis B surface antigen, and hepatitis C antibody were all negative, but serum titers of carcinoembryonic antigen and carbohydrate antigen were elevated. Lateral segmentectomy of the liver was performed. The histopathological findings were compatible with those of multiple hepatocellular carcinoma without liver cirrhosis. Three years since the operation, the patient is doing well and no signs of tumor recurrence have been detected. According to our review of Japanese cases of hepatocellular carcinoma associated with anabolic steroid therapy, in all instances the tumors developed after long-term administration of anabolic steroids for hematologic diseases. In patients under long-term anabolic steroid therapy, routine screening of the liver by ultrasonography and computed tomography should be performed to detect liver tumors in the early stages. Heres you Abomb liver cancer | ||
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Cool Novice 
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.....60 mgs. a day for THREE YEARS? I would guess that 60mgs.ED for three years of just about any AS could lead to liver cancer... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: I challenge that statement. Out of all the orals out there only oxymetholone has been proven to cause Cancer(and yes it was only in rats). And re-examining that study, the dose given was 60mg/day. Now, lets assume she's a skinny 35-year old woman and weighs around 60Kg. THATS ONLY A DOSE OF 1mg/KG. AND IT CAUSED CANCER AFTER ONLY THREE YEARS. Definately need some more feedback on this, as this is a very interesting study albeit a bit small(n=1). Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Oxymeth os the ONLY AAS ive read about leading to cancer. All others lead to benign legions that regress when the drug is no longer taken, or other liver problems, but not carcinomas. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Gee, should I even bother mentioning that there are some people who drink on a daily basis for only 8-10 months and develope liver problems, and that there are some people who drink every day, all their lives, and live to 100, with no liver problems. Naw, I'll just keep quiet about that, lol. |
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