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Originally posted by Tall Dude:
sometimes it just takes forever for your system to respond
for some people, it can take up to a year to return to normal levels

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That's ridiculus. If it can take upto a year how on earth do these people keep making gains whilst at the same time keeping their levels relatively constant and staying relatively healthy??

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Originally posted by DCS:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Big_Daddy_Budda:
[B] That's ridiculus. If it can take upto a year how on earth do these people keep making gains whilst at the same time keeping their levels relatively constant and staying relatively healthy??

YOu are very naive my friend! Dodnt you know that significant long term suppression of natural hormone levels is a possible side effect of using steroids. Dont you know that these people you refer to who continue to make gains and keep their levels relatively constant are all either very lucky, use only very short cycles sporadically, or stay on something almost year round. You have alot to learn about the jucie game.

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Originally posted by Mack-Lo:
Are you sure you hit the HCG right? You're usually supposed to use it for 2 weeks after your cycle at about 5,000 to 10,000 iu's a week. Also look into something called Proviron. I use it in the place of Nolvadex, but it is also supposed to be an estrogen antagonist. Worth a try. Peace and good luck kid.

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GUys who use very small amounts of roids and are interested in maintaing there natural testosterone levels keep the cycles to 3-4 weeks max. ALot do 2 weeks on 4 weeks off. Just becaue you read some other guy is doing a 12 weeks cycle or something that dsoesn't mean its alright to do and you shouldn't excpect these problems. THat guy is probably going to hop right on another 12 weeker soon after.

It sucks having a slow recovery but that�s genetics. Some people will recover fast while some will take much longer. My doc gave me the option to go on test replacement but I chose not to. I still feel my 10.6 will eventually be normal.(Doc does not know I did a couple of cycles)I am only 25 and want to have kids someday. Being put on replacement therapy after a while depletes sperm production. I will take my chances with my 10.6 rather than 0.0

I have been out 6 months and my lifts and gains are at a complete halt. I can't do another cycle do to the fact that I have not normalized yet. I have decided to do primo, you should look into it. I have read that it produces nice quality gains/gains you keep. After talking to some vets through email I have learned that between 200 and 300mg will not supress HPTA.( for a certain amount of time, eventually it could) There you go the best of both worlds. Making gains better then at low test levels and at the same time your body is still bouncing back. I have been told also that anavar is good for this. Anavar also will not supress HPTA at low doses.

As far as most people on this board. I have learned that you can't compare yourself with everyone on the board. Everyone uses for different reasons. Some guys are always on year round so there is no need to care about nat test. These people are set up to be on gear for the rest of there lives. Some do 1 , 2 or 3 cyles a year( 8-12weeks) . I am willing to bet that the guys in this group during off time have low T levels and just don't no it. I don't believe many people on the board get blood work so there really is no true way to tell when hormone levels return to normal. That�s why I do not believe time on = time off. I feel that is a myth, until there is some sort of study of 8-12 week cycles and recovery time I will stick to blood work. I think I am going to start looking into short cycles

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Originally posted by FOZY:
I am in the same boat....clomid WILL bring levels up. I was just taking it eod for 2 months and my levels went from 5.1 to 10.6 with my LH going from 1-4.Normal test levels are 16-40 at the hospital I go to.

It sucks having a slow recovery but that�s genetics. Some people will recover fast while some will take much longer. My doc gave me the option to go on test replacement but I chose not to. I still feel my 10.6 will eventually be normal.(Doc does not know I did a couple of cycles)I am only 25 and want to have kids someday. Being put on replacement therapy after a while depletes sperm production. I will take my chances with my 10.6 rather than 0.0

I have been out 6 months and my lifts and gains are at a complete halt. I can't do another cycle do to the fact that I have not normalized yet. I have decided to do primo, you should look into it. I have read that it produces nice quality gains/gains you keep. After talking to some vets through email I have learned that between 200 and 300mg will not supress HPTA.( for a certain amount of time, eventually it could) There you go the best of both worlds. Making gains better then at low test levels and at the same time your body is still bouncing back. I have been told also that anavar is good for this. Anavar also will not supress HPTA at low doses.

As far as most people on this board. I have learned that you can't compare yourself with everyone on the board. Everyone uses for different reasons. Some guys are always on year round so there is no need to care about nat test. These people are set up to be on gear for the rest of there lives. Some do 1 , 2 or 3 cyles a year( 8-12weeks) . I am willing to bet that the guys in this group during off time have low T levels and just don't no it. I don't believe many people on the board get blood work so there really is no true way to tell when hormone levels return to normal. That�s why I do not believe time on = time off. I feel that is a myth, until there is some sort of study of 8-12 week cycles and recovery time I will stick to blood work. I think I am going to start looking into short cycles

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Originally posted by Mavy:

I don`t know if you new this or not, but you cant` buy anavar anymore.

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shoot me an email: [email protected] , i have something to share with you. i can tell you what worked for me.