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Stew Meat

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posted March 10, 2001 02:42 AM

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Targets for 5AR: any testosterone, Halotestin, EQ, methandrostenolone, methyltestosterone. This concludes the list of steroids that might call for the use of finasteride with hair-sensitive individuals.

Deca is the safest drug for hairloss as it is converted by 5AR to a safer form of hormone that does not affect the scalp. If you use finasterone with deca, you prevent the deca from changing into that lesser hair threatening hormone (dihydronandrolone) and it will stay as deca. Deca will make your hair fall out. Meaning Deca = no hairloss, but Deca + Propecia = much hairloss.

deca is the best choice in preventing hairlosss, Primobolan and Anavar tie at #2.


-Stew


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biggun

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posted March 10, 2001 02:53 AM

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i've heard many personal experiences saying that primo was horrible for hair loss, do you have any scientific info?


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gtaman

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posted March 10, 2001 02:55 AM

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This could be some pretty good advice considering I was thinking of using Propecia for hair loss and my next cycle is deca sus dbol. Hmm, so what to do then? Keep the dbol dose low and hope for the best? Or save the deca for another time and use the propecia?


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Stew Meat

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posted March 10, 2001 04:04 AM

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90% of what I say is backed by research.

Finasteride: a review of its use in male pattern hair loss. Drugs 1999 Jan; 57 (1):111-26
Relative importance of 5 alpha reduction for the androgenic and LH inhibiting activities of delta-4-3-ketosteroids. Steroids 1977 Mar;29(3):331-48
Relative binding affinaties of testosterone, 19-nortestosterone and their 5-alpha reduced derivatives to the androgen receptor and to other androgen-binding proteins. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry 1982 17:653-60
Effects of finasteride on scalp skin and serum androgen levels in men J Am Acad Dermatol 1999 Oct;41(4):550-4
Competitive metabolism of anabolic steroids. Exp Clin endocrinol 1986 Jul;87(2):125-32

-Stew


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MUSTANGRACER27

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posted March 10, 2001 05:26 AM

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speaking from personal experience, I grew alot of hair with propecia, but it definately made my sex drive low and made me limp and it also seemed to hinder my gains. I found out today that 20-25% of people on propecia experience lowered sex drive and less ejaculative volume. Both were good enough to make me quit. Check out hairsite dot com below and there are many more alternatives.

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Shawn

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posted March 10, 2001 07:32 AM

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what else besides proscar should i take while on a cycle? i lost some good hair, it thinned out alot, im pretty depressed about this bullshit and im not ready for it at all. what should i do dammit.


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joeljuice

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posted March 10, 2001 11:40 AM

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I have 18 amps Omnadren 250 and 16 amps Normas Deca 200mg. the problem is that i i fear baldness like a hell! I dont know will i ever loss any hair, but still i'm affraid of it. I think that HAIRLOSS is the worse side effect when gearing.

I guess i should use those stuffs different time and not stack them. Is it ok if i take first Testo 8-9 weeks 500mg per week and use Procpecia and right after that start Deca with Primo or Winny and use Nizoral with it just in case? Or should i take little break between those cycles? Can i bulk up with testo only or should i get something else like eq to gain mass? And will Deca and Primo or Deca and Winny give any good gains?


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joeljuice

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posted March 10, 2001 02:47 PM

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I'm from Finland and my english sucks ;)


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GLP

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posted March 10, 2001 04:01 PM

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Use spirolactone with the deca and sus. Shit cost 20$ for a month supply. Hair loss sucks


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beefmaster

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posted March 10, 2001 04:26 PM

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Considering finisteride effective with methandrostenolone contradicts everything said in anabolics 2000.

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pittbull2

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posted March 10, 2001 06:58 PM

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I know a lady that done Deca for 4 weeks and lost a lot of hair and she had VERY thick hair and 4 months after her cycle her hair is still thinner than before good thing she stoped at 4 weeks she would probally would be bald from Tornell Deca.


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Anabolicum Mister

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posted March 10, 2001 10:36 PM

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Stew,

I don't see how that research backs your statements. A further explanation is necessary.


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MUSTANGRACER27

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posted March 11, 2001 04:01 AM

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I personally grew alot of hair with PROPECIA AND DECA together.. So this is not true for all ,that PROPECIA and DECA will make hair fall out.

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shmucko

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posted March 11, 2001 07:37 AM

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Any personal experiences with Propecia and Fina?


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joeljuice

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posted March 11, 2001 09:44 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by GLP:
Use spirolactone with the deca and sus. Shit cost 20$ for a month supply. Hair loss sucks

What is spirolavtrone and where can i get it? Is it somekind steroid?


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Hugh Gellatts

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posted March 11, 2001 02:34 PM

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I am doing a test cycle, and am using propecia. I kicked the first 3 weeks with D-bol, and my hairline got real inflamed and started to recede. Once I stopped the d-bol, no problem.


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Stew Meat

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posted March 11, 2001 05:13 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Anabolicum Mister:
Stew,

I don't see how that research backs your statements. A further explanation is necessary.


Bro, did you read the research? All the information came from:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/propecia/cns/home.html


-Stew


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Anabolicum Mister

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posted March 11, 2001 05:45 PM

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I didn't see any information regarding juice other than testosterone, and even at that, not in supraphysological amounts. Am I reading in the wrong place?


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Eramthgin

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posted March 11, 2001 08:20 PM

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Use the Prop and Rogain at the same time.


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ROIDRANGER

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posted March 11, 2001 09:18 PM

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to answer GTAMAN, just switch out the deca for EQ......

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