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seriouspain

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posted March 09, 2001 01:19 PM

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i have been in search for some info on clomid and how i shouold use it, and what the goin rate is for it. i know it is essential for this summers gear pachage.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted March 09, 2001 01:21 PM

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Testosterone production begins at the hypothalamus,which scans blood levels of estrogens,androgens and other pertinent hormones.In a presence of low androgens and estrogens the hypothalamus will produce leutenizing-hormone-releasing-hormone(LHRH)which in turn stimulates the pituitary to produce leutenizing hormone(LH).LH then signals the leydig cells in the testicles to begin producing testosterone.Hence the Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis(more commonly referred to as H-P-T-A),as production is ran in that particular order.Now on to the clomid...

Clomid is a selective estrogen receptor modulator(much like nolvadex,only their binding capacities are more aggressive in seperate areas).Clomid stimulates L-H-R-H/LH production by binding to ESTROGEN receptors on the hypothalamus and pituitary,thus giving the illusion of a low presence of circulating estrogen.Note the key word here-ESTROGEN.CLOMID DOES NOT BIND ANDROGEN.Therefore,on a cycle of moderate to high amounts of ANDROGENS,clomid will have no effect whatsoever on endogenous testosterone production,as we are in a state of ANDROGENIC inhibition.It's post cycle,when blood levels of androgens begin to normalize and the typical estrogenic rebound/lag occurs,that clomid is able to re-initialize this process of testosterone production.Hope this clears up how clomid works and why to save it for post cycle,unless you're using it as an anti-estrogen...

How do we know when to administer clomid therapy,and how much should we use to get the desired effects?First you have to figure out the activity life/clearance time of your particular ester.They don't have to be completely cleared from your system,just enough that androgen levels are within normal to high normal ranges.For instance sust's longest acting and most potent ester,the undecanoate ester clears your system in roughly 3-4 weeks.So beginning clomid therapy 3 weeks after your last injection would be ideal.This is the pattern I would run my clomid in...

Day 1)300mgs...2 tabs every 4 hours or so.This will drive up blood levels of the drug for an immediate "therapeutic" response(one that would normally take many consecutive days of usage to be reached)and get the drug working aggressively towards re-initializing endogenous hormonal production.

Days 2-11)100mgs/day(bothtabs can be taken together now,as it's half life is so long it will make no difference...

Days 12-21)50mgs/day...

Day 22)DONE!



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DEANO52

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posted March 11, 2001 11:48 AM

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I couldn't agree more bro.It amazes me just how many people believe that by using Clomid during a cycle it will prevent natural test supressed related problems.It cant...it is only good as a mild anti-estrogen, but you would use Proviron or Nolvadex..not this.Post cycle is the way to go.


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pittbull2

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posted March 11, 2001 04:14 PM

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Good job Huck!


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El_Ess_Dee_25

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posted March 11, 2001 06:08 PM

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does anyone have any other info or agree?so far thats the best info i got about clomid but why start 3 weeks after your last sustanon?i asked that before and no one gave me musc info about how to take the clom... i remember one person saying take 2 a day a week after you last sust injection and then 1 a day for another week and i posted back asking what about the 1 more week the shits in you system... so if anyone else has any other ways of taking iot or opinions let me know cause i want to get the most out of my shit thats all...if there is no better info then this then ill probobly go with this.

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Daeo

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posted March 11, 2001 06:28 PM

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The way Huck posted it is the way it SHOULD be taken. It will be the most effective that way in other words...

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Spunky

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posted March 11, 2001 06:41 PM

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The reason u need to wait a bit after your last injection is because the sust will still be in your system.. it will still be surpressing your natural test levels.


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