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 A novice AS stack
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Novice 
Posts: 7 |
Okay, I gotta ask you guys a question. I am feeling I have reached a plateau, and have done quite a bit of research on this for some time now. At 5'9 180 lbs, you can see I'm not terribly genetically blessed. I am probably a classic endormorph/mesomorph. My workout partner (a classic ectomorph) and I continuously throw up weights typically used by dudes 25-25lbs heavier than I (at least at our gym). I am considering starting a cycle--800mg of Deca and 250ml of Sust per week(Organon redijects). A four week cycle. My shortterm goal is to pack on 15 lbs. of rock solid muscle. I know, I know, 195 is hardly considered contest material, but keep in mind, I got a regular job downtown, and am NOT under 40 anymore. Is this cycle, coupled with an increasing rigorous 4-5 day per week workout schedule, enriched by a solid 4 meal a day program (high protein, moderate to low-carb)enough to come close to the gains which I seek????? Kripes, it's a modified Atkins diet to tell you the truth...except for exponentially more protein. I am thinking that I can reach this goal by Memorial Day, July 4th at the latest. Any and all thoughts are welcome, yea I can handle the flames too. Thanks to all of you.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 229 |
you are looking at about 4lbs a week. its possible, as ive seen it before. just taken in enough calories. ------------------ MustangRacer27 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 272 |
let me get this right first. u said 800mg of deca and 250mg of sus a week. man 800mg of deca is a shit load, i only know one guy taking that much and he is 5'10 290. you probably want to cut the deca in half or you might have some problems since u are a beginner. be careful bro, i hope that was a typo. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 517 |
I would cut the deca down to 300 to 400mgs per week and up the sus to 500 to 750 mgs per week. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
i say cut and double d-400 s-500 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 227 |
I agree with the majority....deca-400 and sust-500...great gains..good luck!! ------------------ | ||
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Novice
Posts: 1 |
Just what are you trying to accomplish here bud? While you state your goals you also acknowledge that you are "over 40" and you work a "regular" job. I suspect that you have already made great gains but are simply impatient. Perhaps you are obsessing a bit? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 84 |
i agree that is to much deca for the first cycle. You will do fine at 400mg a week. I think 250 0r 500 sus is goood. make sure you get your protein while your on deca and you will make some good gains. ------------------ | ||
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Novice
Posts: 7 |
Thanks, that helps alot. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 916 |
Test Enth or Cyp and Eq not deca..but that's just me | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 680 |
If its a 4 weeker, I would use Prop/deca, or Cyp/deca. I would use 400mg/wk Prop, 400 deca, or if you opt for the Cyp, I owuld also use 400mg. Prop I would use EOD at most, but ED if you can. If you still opt for the sust, I would use 750 per week since it is only 4 weeks, this is when you will start to feel it. Most rec 500sus per week, but for 8-10, your only doing 4. 190 can look HUGE on the right guy, keep yer heart in it, and dont worry about the scale, just hte mirror. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 9 |
Well, Glootz, I'm also not a "young" man anymore but here are a couple of things I would have done differently: First the AS: Go with 250-500mg Sus/week end 200-400mg Deca/week - like the others say. Secondly the length of a cycle: When you do a cycle past the two week barrier you will experience total shutdown of own testosterone production with the amount of AS you will be using. Therefore, if your goal is to put on some mass (15 pounds you say?) you can just as well go the whole "traditional" 8-week cycle. You will be able to gain a bit more that way. Post cycle: Remember to include Clomid post cycle and have antiestrogens at hand during the cycle. Deca can also give side effects caused by conversion to progesterone, so if your receptors bind progesterone you may need ru486 or Winstrol to combat that!? Diet: 4 meals a day really isn't going to cut it either! You'll need 5-7 smaller high-protein meals a day to feed your body the right way. I saw many of the other boardmembers focused on the AS, which is of course what you also wanted, but I think the rest should also be in place to get the most out of it! Good luck with whatever you do:-) Crom | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 351 |
quote: thats the classic. or deca 400/5 dbol per day | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 187 |
I'm with the others about upping the Sust & lowering the Deca dosages. Also, if you don't want everyone downtown at work to know that you're (gasp) USING STEROIDS (!), I would definitely throw in 20mg Nolvadex & 50mg Proviron every day to fight off water retention (especially on your face). Arimidex would be even better. Oh yeah, take it to 8 weeks... gains will be slower, but with less sides. Good luck. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2299 |
quote: And Me Deca at those doses is only asking for trouble in my opinion and as this is your first cycle way overkill IMO. ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina |
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posted March 08, 2001 06:43 PM
