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biggun

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posted March 07, 2001 07:53 PM

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i am 20 years old. up until about a year ago i had a full, thick head of hair with a normal hair line. But in that time my hair line has receeded a ton around the on the sides, so i have that "m" look on my head. At first i thought it was because i used to dye my hair REALLY light blonde, after dying for a while i noticed the receeding pretty badly so i stopped and have not dyed for 9 months or so, but the receeding is continuing. My dad has the same "m" look but his did not start until his 30's. I have never done a cycle but am planning a deca/winny cyle sometime this year. Why am i losing so much hair so young, could it have been the bleaching, is there anything to stop it or possibly grow some back(saw palmetto, propecia?) or any thing that works scecifically on the hair line? I have nizoral and 2% minoxidil but have heard that when you first start to use products such as these hair loss is temporarily accelerated, so i am afraid to start. Will the deca/winny accelerate the hair loss?


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MUSTANGRACER27

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posted March 08, 2001 05:48 AM

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Well, propecia grew all my hair back. But i lost ALL my sex drive. So I wouldn't recommened it. I am going to be taking SAW PALMETTO tomarrow and use twice the dosage.
My hair lost just started a couple months ago and I have been fighting this since. Im 26 by the way.

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peckerwood

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posted March 08, 2001 08:41 AM

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I AGREE WITH MUSTANG 2 PILLS THREE TIME A DAY IS DOUBLE , MY SHIT LOOK LIKE A PHUKIN' FURRY CAT SLEPT ON MY PELLOW WHEN I GET UP 1 FUNNY SHIT , HEY I LOOK BETTER SHAVED BALD ANYHOW .

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CN1

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posted March 08, 2001 01:20 PM

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bro when i was 15-18 I dyed the shit out of my hair, and then started AS, let me tell you, I cut my own hair now with a gillete razor, so a hint, steroids cause and will make you lose your hair.


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MUSTANGRACER27

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posted March 08, 2001 03:47 PM

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here is a great site www.hairsite.com .. they have a forum in there.. lots to learn and lots to try.

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GLP

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posted March 08, 2001 05:16 PM

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Bros just because you use steroids dosent mean you can not keep your hair. Or I hope to god not. Spirolactone and procar do good things while on juice. Procar is for the dht spirolactone is for the other gear such as dbal,deca,tren, shit like that if it were not for these drugs I would have a fucked up hair line.


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gtaman

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posted March 08, 2001 05:28 PM

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Ok so is taking this proscar and spiractolone the best way to go?

Say compared to saw palmetto or Nizoral shampoo (which I can buy in a drugstore here)?

I am having a bit of hair probs right now and wondering how useful it will be to start using Nizoral right away.

I am pretty happy, over 30 and a fair bit of hair. But because I've had hair for so long I think my wife will kick me out if I lose it all over a couple of cycles of steroids!!

Is Saw Palmetto actually effective? It is easy to buy in any drugstore. I thought it was mainly for prostate. ??


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gtaman

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posted March 08, 2001 05:32 PM

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Looked at the hairsite - what about this?:

"Most doctors will not prescribe Spironolactone to men as a hair loss treatment. Spironolactone is probably the most potent oral anti-androgens available and may cause side effects such as impotence, breast enlargement and decreased sex drive etc when taken by men. Despite the potential side effects, many men decided to turn to oral Spironolactone as a last resort. However, Spironolactone is commonly prescribed for women as a hair loss treatment. "


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Shawn

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quote:
Originally posted by gtaman:
Looked at the hairsite - what about this?:

"Most doctors will not prescribe Spironolactone to men as a hair loss treatment. Spironolactone is probably the most potent oral anti-androgens available and may cause side effects such as impotence, breast enlargement and decreased sex drive etc when taken by men. Despite the potential side effects, many men decided to turn to oral Spironolactone as a last resort. However, Spironolactone is commonly prescribed for women as a hair loss treatment. "


but if you take test with it along with your other gear, doesn't it mean all these problems won't exist? will proscar or spiro prevent hair loss while on a cycle with test? or what?


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gtaman

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posted March 08, 2001 05:53 PM

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That's what I'd like to know!

I've heard a lot of guys use Nizoral shampoo (I will spare you the joke thread I was going to start - "JUST DRANK NIZORAL AND FEEL SICK!!?! WTF??!!!?!") ... there are some "sources" who will sell you that stuff (not available over the counter in US)... of course I can walk into a drug store in Toronto and buy Nizoral so I just want to hear if it actually does anything.

What I am experiencing right now is kind of a crispy feeling on my scalp - and a thinning look - relatively minor - think the dbol is causing it...


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nerkyreb

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posted March 08, 2001 06:00 PM

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I'm in the exact same boat. I'm 22 and starting to recede, and I'm about to do cyp/deca/dbol. I'm worried about it going any farther, so anything that can be recommended (preferrably over-the-counter) to block this would be greatly appreciated.


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MUSTANGRACER27

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posted March 08, 2001 06:14 PM

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AT {url]www.hairsite.com[/url] you can gets MEDS WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION GUYS..ITS LEGAL AS LONG AS YOU ONLY ORDER A 90 DAYS SUPPLY MAX. First thing I am going to try is SAW PALMETTO. Next would be the REGENHAIR they have at hairsite. I am also willing to try the REVIVOGEN with seems to be getting better results than NIOXIN. Crinagen is also available on there. Also, look into RETIN-A.
ITS a fight , but I will share my stories along the way to help you guys.

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Anabolicum Mister

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posted March 08, 2001 09:23 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by gtaman:

"Most doctors will not prescribe Spironolactone to men as a hair loss treatment. Spironolactone is probably the most potent oral anti-androgens available and may cause side effects such as impotence, breast enlargement and decreased sex drive etc when taken by men. Despite the potential side effects, many men decided to turn to oral Spironolactone as a last resort. However, Spironolactone is commonly prescribed for women as a hair loss treatment. "

The keyword above is "oral" anti-androgen. You would not take this with gear. What GLP is talking about is topical spironolactone, which is available from http://www.minoxidil.com.

All the agents mentioned above may mitigate hairloss, but there is currently nothing that will guarantee that you will not lose any more hair whether you are on gear or not. Regrowth is even more difficult.


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Stew Meat

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posted March 08, 2001 11:07 PM

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The safest steroid, as far as low hairloss risk goes, is nandralone. Don't thake Propecia with it. If you do, it will then cause hairloss.

Winstrol, Anavar, Anadrol, and Primobolan operate along different enzymatic pathways and finasteride is not nessasary with them.


With testosterone, the most recomended dose of 1mg per day of finasteride per 200mg weekly to inhibit DHT buildup.

No matter what steroid you take, in high doses, it can cause hairloss. The reason is that androgen production is increased no matter what the anabolic/androgenic ratio is.


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biggun

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posted March 08, 2001 11:38 PM

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stew, i have heard ALOT of people say that primo and winny were two of the worst drugs they ever used as far as hair loss. Something about the "depot" and being a derivative of dht (not sure if i got that right). Can you explain that a little more. like i said i was planng on using winny and was also looking into primo for a future cycle.


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RADAR

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I don't get it i've used everything-i'm 49 got hair like a lion..the stylist has a time cutting it..my dad had a recedeing hairline....so someone missed me(hooray)


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biopsychfitness

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posted March 09, 2001 12:31 AM

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Biggun, first of all, bleaching your hair doesn't cause it to fall out, it actually makes the follicle thicker. I thought this was the reason for my hairloss, but it turned out to be just a stupid rumor. My hair started falling out when I was 16, and after a few test cycles...more fell out. I would recommend propecia and spironolactone is you are going to use any test...but if you're predisposed to lose it anyway, then nothing will stop it completely. I got a transplant a few years ago, they're kind of expensive, but you never have to worry about your hair falling out again. So, don't waste your money on any medicines for it...save up for the transplant.


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biggun

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posted March 09, 2001 12:35 AM

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how's the transplant look,is it noticable? is there scarring where they take the hair from?


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biopsychfitness

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posted March 09, 2001 12:39 AM

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The transplant looks really good. I could use a little more hair in the front and in the back, but I'm saving up for those.

If you look really close, then you can see that the hair has been "strategically" placed, but no one has ever looked close enough to notice it.

You can't even see the scar in the back, they did an exceptional job stitching that up.

[This message has been edited by biopsychfitness (edited March 09, 2001).]


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biggun

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posted March 09, 2001 01:19 AM

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so even if i shaved the sides of my hair down to a 1 or 2 you couldn't see the scar?


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biopsychfitness

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posted March 09, 2001 01:21 AM

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I'm assuming it would be hard to see, but I haven't tried that. The scar is only about an inch long on the back right side of my head...I think it would be cool.


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pittbull2

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posted March 09, 2001 01:30 AM

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I've just used propeshia for a few weeks and i can see a little difference at least my wife says so .haha


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quote:
Originally posted by biopsychfitness:
The transplant looks really good. I could use a little more hair in the front and in the back, but I'm saving up for those.

If you look really close, then you can see that the hair has been "strategically" placed, but no one has ever looked close enough to notice it.

You can't even see the scar in the back, they did an exceptional job stitching that up.

[This message has been edited by biopsychfitness (edited March 09, 2001).]


all the transplants ive seen look like shit. it looks like strings or some shit. anyway, for a transplant, do they only use your donor (back and sides of hair) for the transplant? or could you grab them from someone else? my hair is naturally wavy, so i am wondering, if i do ever get a transplant, will i be able to get donor cells from another person's donor area with straight hair? of course it would be the same color, but i think if i transplanted hair from my own donor cells, it would just look like shit.


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biopsychfitness

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posted March 09, 2001 02:15 AM

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Shawn, most transplants do look like shit. The person has to do some research before they get it and get it done right. The right transplants don't look like strings, but I've seen many bad ones that do.

No, they only take donor hair from you. If you were to implant hair from someone else, you're body would probably reject and the hair would die.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stew Meat:
[B]The safest steroid, as far as low hairloss risk goes, is nandralone. Don't thake Propecia with it. If you do, it will then cause hairloss.

I have heard that taking deca with propecia increases hairloss too. However, I have never seen any sci1entific proof posted nor have I ever heard of any negative first hand experience. There was a post from someone recently, I forget who, but he said that he took Deca and Propecia together, and that it did not have any negative effects. In fact, it helped grow some hair back. Anyone have any scientific articles as I know many, including myself are interested in the truth.


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Iwillbe

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I've blown through 2 lg bottles of Saw palmetto and still got the same receeding hair line, it certainly is not a magical herb, atleast for me. It is my understanding that it will take up to 8 months for propecia to kick in and be affective.
The prices to pay all for the muscles...


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Tall Dude

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Don't get too freaked out about your hairline receding at 20 years old.
That's when mine started to go, but it stopped the same year and has remained the same ever since.
I'm now in my early 30s.
I do have the "M" pattern, but it's not that high and I don't have a bald spot in the back.


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