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Author | Topic: pgf2a vs synthol | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
wanted to know which u would prefer, seems that pgf is a better more lasting spot growth, etc etc than synthol, what are ur thoughts comparing the 2 ------------------ | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
Synthol will provide the bigger size gains,no doubt,but they are artificial...PGF facillitates actual muscle growth... | ||
Olympian Posts: 1956 |
pgf2 actually grows muscle right? synthol isn't really muscle, its oil. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 948 |
pgf2a....forget stnthol..but some people have lost size from pgf2a.give it a try you have notthing to lose...later ------------------ [This message has been edited by ultragainz (edited March 06, 2001).] | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
is 19 too early for pgf2a or should i wait, i figured id wait till i have years under my belt ------------------ | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
Get a few cycles under your belt first bro.PGF is no joke.Its sides are not to be taken lightly... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited March 06, 2001).] | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
thanks huck, im sure u feel the same about synthol?? ------------------ | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
Yes,but I would choose PGF over synthol any day,hands down...I'm sure the pump'n'posers will want to lynch me for that | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
hey huck, i am curious, i read in another post u used it once a day for a month and gained a permanent 1/2 inch on ur arms and 1 inch off your waist
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Moderator Posts: 5810 |
I blasted it first thing in the morning(which wasn't the greatest schedule,but no one in my household was awake,so I had unlimited use of the restroom during this time,lol).I stuck to delts and tri's primarily,with a few in the bi's and chest...Started out with very small amounts(1/4cc's)in each injection,once I became accustomed to the sides somewhat,I moved up in dosages.By the end,I was using between 3/4cc's and 1 cc per injection... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited March 07, 2001).] | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 97 |
what are common sides? ------------------ | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
Intense throbbing pain at the injection sight,labored breathing,uncontrollable bowel movements,fever.... | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
u used a insulin needle huh, 5/8'ths??
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Moderator Posts: 5810 |
29 gauge 1/2" | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 97 |
uncontrollable bowel movements, huh? call me a pussy, but i dont know if i could accept that...seriously ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 627 |
Huck, you just shot once a day or did you hit it in the evening too? Also, did you only shoot .25i.u. at a time, or did you shoot .25i.u. a day per each muscle group or all muscle groups together? If you only shot once a day, .25i.u. in lets say the delts, then I say that it's well worth the sides. I hope my questions weren't too confusing. ------------------ | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
I hit it in the mornings only,really early(5 a.m.)I started out with 1/4cc in the left medial deltoid head,followed immediately by 1/4cc in the right,so a total volume of 1/2cc's between both sides... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited March 07, 2001).] [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited March 07, 2001).] | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 943 |
a year back i was interested in synthol.... nowadays, i wouldn't touch it....i have a symmetrical and proportioned physique....and i'll be damned if i ruin it (which is possible) with synthol usage....i know it takes large amounts of synthol to totally transform a muscle into another shape, but once i would start injecting it, i wouldn't want to stop...i know i would get addicted to the size increases....so for me it's not worth sacrificing my body balance i would try PGF2 in a heartbeat though.....actual muscle synthesis is happening with it PA | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 659 |
I have done both, well, I am doing pgf2a, I like it better. The sides are worth the gain, but your stomach gets feelin pretty shitty pretty quick at the right dose. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 60 |
Huck what would the iu's equate to in cc's? I thought iu's were a measure of concentration not volume? | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
hey WC, what dose u using??? maybe ill hit this stuff up in 8 months or so....... ------------------ | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
--- [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited March 07, 2001).] | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
what u think a good age is for that is??? also, huck, u use it during or post cycle or by itself............. ------------------ | ||
Novice Posts: 8 |
The etnanate will get me started until I have a little more cash and get the rest of what I need. But I want to max what I have for now. This is my second cycle, lifted clean for the last 8 months. should be able to get plenty of juice by the end of March or first of April. I have to drive to get it, and it takes a day plus I would like to have more cash. | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 344 |
quote: LOL. I'm pretty faded right now but correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't your post have absolutely nothing in common with the topic or anyone in this thread? | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1251 |
WTF? Aw, pobably wants someone to talk to. | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 344 |
LOL. thats a possibilty. | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 49 |
I was thinking of doing pgf after my cycle in about 3 weeks for my lagging biceps. I was going to start at a very low dose .10 cc and work up to .75 over about 3 weeks. Will this help to minimze the side effects? Also, should i shoot it in the upper and lover bicep? Is 2x a day good enough or should I go for 3 x day? thanks osiris | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 627 |
quote: I remember Ranger saying that he would flex his bicep and find the peak. You then relax the muscle and stick where the peak was(when relaxed, it will appear more proximal). I don't remember him saying anything about hitting the distal head of it, but maybe I'm just not very informed. Hope this helps some. ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 964 |
LMAO at Shawn!! that post tripped me out.. i love threads like these! they have lots of information.. i am interested in pgf2a and i didnt have much info, but now it seems it's pretty clear to me now. now, how about a price check on it. 30ml for $65.. and huck! where the hell did you find a 29G, never heard of it! i thought the 25g was the smallest. peace, -MiKe001- ------------------
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Moderator Posts: 5810 |
Mike-That's an INSULIN syringe,not an I.M...$65.00 is an okay price.... | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 964 |
oh ok. now i understand.. i bet it took about 30 minutes pushing it through huh. lol, damn that's small.. i remember when i was a newbie, i tried sucking up my t-200 with one of those. i could never get anything in it, haha.. so pgf2a would have to be water based right? | ||
Freak Posts: 2293 |
If you think curry gives you this shits....! | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
where would you inject into the tricep and the lats and the delt? just curious fellas........
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Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 751 |
Huck, You might want to re-check your post that reads: ".25 i.u.'s=1/4cc... 1 full i.u.=1cc" An i.u is a measure of concentration not volume. Be careful. D. | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
LOL...Thanks for pointing out what an ignoramus I am,I edited my stupidity,haha... | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 607 |
Here's my experience with PGF thus far: I shot 1/8cc just under the skin on my bicep. In 10 minutes the feeling was likend to a bee sting and there was slight swelling about 1-2inches in diameter. The swelling was gone the next day and there was a small bruise that was almost the same size as the swelling area. The injection site didn't bleed so I'm convinced that I didn't rupture a vein or anything. That leads me to believe that the effects may be due more to swelling. The only way to tell would be if you actually had strength gains from PGF use. If you did, then you know that the size increase is due to actual muscle synthesis. Otherwise, your muslce is swelling due to inflamation. Anyone else agree?
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Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 344 |
1cc = 100iu not 1iu so 1/4cc = 25iu! i find it too hard to grow on .25iu LOL. | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
Huck gets the "ignoramus-kick-in-the-balls-award" today | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 344 |
quote: LOL. Don't worry everyone makes a mistake | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 627 |
I'm glad ya'll cleared this up, because I was sitting here looking at a slin needle trying to figure out how I was going to get only .25i.u......I didn't even think about the logic there, so I'm an idiot too Huck! ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 751 |
Shawn, You are incorrect also. An i.u. is a measure of concentration, not volume. The most popular concentration of insulin is u-100. Which means that, true, it is 100 iu's per cc. But i.u. is completely different for different substances. The conversion is 2.7 i.u. = 1 mg. Be careful. D. | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 19 |
ok guy s have any of you guys tried shoting this shit in your pecs? I have a lagging chest and was going to try it out for my chest but the shitin problems kind of worry me. Exactly how bad are they and how long after the shot do have to be close to the shitter? | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 19 |
bump. | ||
Freak Posts: 2493 |
HUCK what part of tri...inner or outer??? STEW MEAT why under skin of bi and not in the muscle... ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 948 |
i say outter head of the tris....later ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 607 |
Roidranger, fat cells "die" when exposed to PGF2A. I injected into the fatty tissue of my biceps for this reason. I thought that it may also keep it in the system longer (slow the absorbtion) in the same way that subcutaneous injections of insulin are used in order to slow insulin's absorbtion. -Stew | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 659 |
quote: I use 3/4cc per delt at one time, 6x per day. My delts have grown quite a bit in a weeks time. I will hit the delts for 2 weeks, then tris for 2 weeks, then Bis for 2 weeks, then start over again. | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
good info, i am still curious, where in the delt and where in the tri, as well as the lats
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Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
wc, good gains, ur getting my attention and speaking my language?? do they seem like permanent gains to you?? also, u do 3/4 cc 6 times a day, doesnt that give u alot of scar tissue?? this shit has now definitely caught my attention
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Moderator Posts: 5810 |
You can hit all 3 heads of the deltoid,but you want to avoid the "inner"heads of the bi's and tri's(the heads closest to your lats)as the nerve response is very intense on those inner areas as opposed to the outer areas...My gains have stuck with me and its been well over a month... | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 607 |
Do you guys generally stick to the outside of the vein that runs the length of the bicep or to the inside? I injected 1/4 cc into each biceps muscle with 1/2" pin about an hour and a half ago. I just got through working out my delts. Damn those bi's are sore! It hurts like hell at first then... like someone else said, I really don't mind the pain; I almost like it WC, when you inject 6x per day into your bi's do you generlly hit the same spot? Mine are so sore that it just wouldn't seem like a good idea to hit them again. BTW, I had a friend do the inject and that bitch aspirated the hell out of me! It freakin' hurts if you aspirate too much too quick!
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Moderator Posts: 5810 |
I stuck to mainly the outside of the vein on the bi,and the brachialis muscle(sandwiched in between the bi and tri),the outer and medial heads of the tri's were probably my most comfortable injections.The inner bi head hurt like nothing I've ever felt before,lol... | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 151 |
Am I a dumbshit or can you just buy Lut over the internet with a credit card? I checked out a website and it sure looked like you just givem a address and credit card and wait for your package. Has anyone ever mailordered with no problem? Please don't start posting links. I found a site with not much effort. Anyone serious can too. Don't go screwing it up for everyone. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 659 |
quote: yea- I now they do. They use it all. I do 3/4cc plus 3/4 cc at one shot, 6x per day, so 12 sticks. No scar, it is 29g x 1/2". I agree with HUCK, but I still do some shootin in the inner bicep head. Prob done well over 100 injections in each bicep. I only use small pins when doing this, 25g or less. They do seem permanent. The muscle is actually thicker, not just swollen like juice or synthol makes it. I hit each head in the delt 2x per day. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 659 |
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Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 627 |
This is a great post. I want to thank all the bros who posted info & experiences on this one. I thought I knew a lot about pgf2a, but I have learned a ton more just from this one post. Thanks ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 607 |
I agree... great thread. Here's my first day on PGF2A: Thus far, I like PGF2A. Good stuff. I injected every time in the inner biceps and no problem with the pain. Its not the pain that you think that it will be. Its a dull throbbing pain that I can deal with. I had not diareah but I drank some pepto both times before I injected. No sides, no problems, great stuff. That's about all the info I can give to those who are seriously thinking about trying it. -Stew | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
sounds like good shit | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
hey WC, u use it on or off a cycle?? maybe i can use it now while i bridge, i am gonna do a 4-6 week, probably 4 week primo bridge with some clen and eca, depending on what my boy brings back for me from cancun.... maybe i can incorporate it after my next bulk cycle, u find u lose weight cause u cant eat good and shit alot??? ------------------ | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 28 |
what kind of fat loss have you all seen on the pgf2a? Is it noticable? WC email me. ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 627 |
quote: I think it was Huck that said he had lost about an inch on his waist after about two months. I think the fat loss is evenly distributed throughout the body, so it might take a while to really notice results in fat loss. This is just what I have gathered thus far. ------------------ | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 406 |
bump for WC | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 607 |
No soreness today. I feel like hitting them again
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Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 493 |
You guys, you are seriously under estimating the power of the bowel explosion, so be careful. Also Huck- If you take too much can this be life threatening, as far as respiratory? | ||
Moderator Posts: 5810 |
It is well known to induce contraction of smooth muscle,which includes the heart,so yes,be very careful to start out with very small amounts,and VERY SLOWLY work your way up in volume...Don't assume because you handled a 1/2 cc okay that means you can jump up to 2 immediately,this could have dire consequences...This stuff is not to be taken lightly,it's very powerful... | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 607 |
Cardiovascular tissue is not smooth muscle tissue. I don't fully know the reasons that it causes contraction of smooth muscle tissue... I'm sure thats why people get the explosive shits but is there any info out there about it causing smooth muscle contractions?
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Cool Novice Posts: 47 |
Remember, it is a vaso-constricter, and another small point, PGF2A does have some effect on recpeter cleaning....a very nice added benefit... BZR | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 37 |
how exactly does this stuff work? is it a hormone? | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 37 |
bump | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 357 |
F*CKING BEAUTIFUL THREAD. THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR INFO. ------------------ | ||
Novice Posts: 9 |
quote: I've got a lagging chest too. Any experience with the chest anyone? | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 627 |
Bump for these last few questions. ------------------ |
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