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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I discovered this on the anabolic extreme website from an article called 'The evil that men do' by Paul R Borresen.
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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If you have heard of Mick Hart, another UK Guru, he got addicted to GHB a while back and recently wrote up an article condemning it and how addictive it is. It nearly ruined his life completely, after reading what he put I would never take it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I don't think i'll take it again. I went through 200 grams of the stuff over 2- 3 months, taking it maybe twice a week to sleep and on weekends instead of drinking. Be careful bro's. [This message has been edited by jakethemus (edited March 06, 2001).] | ||
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Freak 
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Good and interesting post. While I partially agree with it and would suggest most people who are interested in it not to buy it there are two sides to every argument or article. I have been using ghb and last night finished my first 100 grams of the stuff. I originally started it about 2 months back. I think for those who do use it moderation is the way to go. Ghb is addictive but so are ciggarrettes, alcohol, cannabis, etc. I am still not convinced that it can ruin lives of the strong minded and willed but I have only done 100 grams of the stuff and have a very strong mind set. Peace ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Iron Game, Here is the article from Mick Hart off of his website. I just rang him and got permission from him to copy it in full as I think you should read it. Although it is quite long, I hope that you take the time mate as it has put me off for life. TEARS ON A KEYBOARD - A GHB ADDICTION - BEATEN Intro........ As a writer, I find it quite easy to put things down on paper as you can imagine. In this case, it was the hardest thing that I have ever done in my life. As you read it, please take it all in, it could save your life. I nearly lost mine and I am supposed to be an expert! I am a fully qualified Olympic grade A Coaching Instructor and have been in bodybuilding now for about 25 years. In that time I have been in many competitions, tried just about every steroid that is and was available, all in perfect safety I might add. I always thought that my sense of safety would always pull me through; it had gotten me through all the years so far. Because I advise so much on the subject, and have written two best sellers on steroids, I always felt that I had a good sense of what can happen - how wrong can someone be. Understand the feelings that were felt, the pain that was created and the losses that could have been far worse than they were. Just think - please! For the benefit of the reader, my addiction started around 1996 through to 1998. Since that time I have not touched any GHB or the like and never intend to again. However, and I can say this with great honesty, if I had any near me now, even though I know what it can do - I WOULD take it! That is why none shall be in front of me again. That is, I suppose, the ghost that cannot be laid to rest. Please note however, that there were many people involved in this traumatic experience, and as the story progresses all will be revealed. But it has to be told in the way it has been and so shall be. Should any of my family be reading this, please read on as all will be told. I have not forgotten your love and help - I never shall. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GHB - who would have thought it eh? A product that came onto the bodybuilding world with it�s wondrous muscle building, fat burning properties, increased natural growth hormone release - wow, it could change the way a man could look AND feel - and that is an understatement to say the very least. This article has been a long time in coming but the reasons for it's delay were simple - a situation that can change and did change ones life so much and yet bring home so much hurt can be a difficult thing to bring back into your life, even if it is only memories. I jest not, this article has been so very hard to write after all that has happened. Will there be a happy ending? Well you will have to read on and see. But, I might add, how we perceive a happy ending is really up to the reader. GHB The dosage, as advised, was originally about half a teaspoon, approximately, and if taken about half an hour to an hour before bed, it would start to slow down the body, if you like, preparing it for a deeper sleep than normal. No messing about, you WOULD go to sleep. Its main aim in bodybuilding was to increase the amount of natural growth hormone in the body; it would assist you in releasing more cheap, natural growth. If used PROPERLY it certainly did the trick and most definitely put the body into a restful state that could not be matched. I had not known anything like it - ever. I must say at this stage that I had never taken any other drug before, except for steroids and was amazed at the way it relaxed me after a hard days work. I could not believe how much this thing relaxed me. In fact, I got to the stage where I was really looking forward to taking it when I got home. This was to turn out to be my undoing - in fact it was nearly the beginning of the end. In all honesty I really cannot remember the date of when the GHB thing started, or rather the time when it was first introduced to me. I know that it was circa 1994 or thereabouts. It was actually on general sale on the bodybuilding circuit and I had heard of it's wondrous properties and especially the great feeling of euphoria, the chilled, laid back, well-being feeling that one felt about 20 minutes after taking the stuff. It was quite dramatic. I sincerely loved it 100% without a doubt! I was quite simple to take, mixed with water, tasted like shit but it was that easy. It usually came in a 100g tubs and as I have said, was on sale from most of the bodybuilding supply shops and companies. You see, no one really new what , if any, problems could occur until very much into the course of it. About half a teaspoon was the recommended dosage, taken about an half to one hour before bed, mixed in a little fruit juice as the taste was quite repulsive on it's own. I actually used to just have a little in water at first as I didn't mind the taste too much. Mind you, I can chew asprin or paracetamols with no problem so GHB was to be no big deal. SEX DRIVE Anyhow, the first day it arrived at my office in it's plain but simply labelled tub, I thought that I would try just a tiny bit on the edge of a spoon to see if it DID give me a buzz. I was curious, as after everything that I have heard, I really thought that it was all blown out of proportion. I am used to testing supplements that are supposed to have special powers, that's my job. I was on the phone to a client when it hit me. I didn't realise what HAD really happened until half way through the conversation with the guy. I was chattering like I have never chatted before. Did I feel good! Still not realising what had happened to me, the guy on the other end of the phone said that I was in a good mood today and thanked me for my answers to his questions - which, I have to add, were answered in so much detail that even I could not believe that I knew so much about bodybuilding. I felt great! I could have taken on the world - single-handed. What the fuck was happening to me - it was great! I went down into my gym to train. I did so with so much gusto too. I pumped those weights so hard that I thought that my arm and chest were going to burst open. I had never trained like it before - EVER! I was expecting to feel sleepy, but strangely enough I didn't. This made me think that the sleepy bit was maybe blown out of proportion a wee bit. AT HOME Later that evening, before bed, I took about half a teaspoon and mixed it with a little water, drank it and then waited. It was about 9.30pm that I drank it. About half an hour later - BOOM - it hit me! The feeling was so intense it was mind blowing. I was so chilled and happy that I remember thinking that if this was to aid my training, then bring it on baby - big style. I thought at the time, I could handle this no problem. I started to get really sleepy about an hour and a half after taking it. Boy was I sleepy. I laid my head down on that pillow and gradually closed my eyes to sleep like I had never slept before. At the time, Kim and I were going through a bad patch of arguments and the like. Things were not to bright, but to be honest they were made even worse with the increase in my workload, training demands and to top it all, we had just recently been blessed with a son who was a handful to say the least. He was not to well from birth having a pretty bad case of jaundice, not sleeping at all pulls all the other bits and bobs that come with a baby. He is fine now, but at the start things were quite difficult, as most of you will know. This, of course, led to problems being heightened between Kim and I. Even now, I know that she understood that and so did I. Times were a little bit hard to say the least. Being in such a position makes it so easy to fall prey to things that will lift your spirits. For most I suppose that booze is the answer. Not so, but it does happen so much. In my case, getting home at night and being able to relax so easily was such a bonus and to be honest a Godsend. This was when things started to get worse and of course the dosages got bigger and bigger. Kim saw it first, tried to tell me, but as any addict will tell you - you don't want to hear. But they got bigger and bigger. DOSAGES INCREASING As the pressure got worse, I started getting in later and later. My workouts were being left to as late as possible in order that I got home as late as possible so that - I thought - arguments could be avoided. After my workout, I would call in to the local pub and have a few glasses of wine, then pick up some supper and head home. As time passed, almost as soon as I was getting home, I would go into the kitchen and mix up a small amount of GHB and down it straightaway. Half an hour later I would feel great and we would chat OK, especially if she had a little too. As time went on, I started to look forward to the G so much that I was getting home earlier and earlier in order to take some as soon as possible. I had not realised it yet - but I was hooked good and proper. FORESIGHT During a normal night, especially if I got home around 6 or 7, I would end the night maybe taking a total of eight teaspoons, but again the level spoonful had long gone, so it was actually more that I was ingesting. The arguments got worse and more GHB was going in me. We threatened to break up more times in a night, you wouldn't believe it, till eventually she said that if I didn't stop taking it, she would go. The deceit started from here on in - and the lies too - all from me. I was basically becoming the biggest bastard even I had known. I suppose that every addict of whatever sort of drug, will eventually stoop to the lows that lies can bring. They have to, there be no choice. I knew that if I could keep the G hidden and take it in secret, no one would know. Of course they did and I suppose I knew it anyway. Eventually we split up - it was inevitable. I knew it was going to happen - I could not blame her, but I know that the increased trauma of such a break, took me over the edge. The GHB was the only thing that I had to take the trauma away even though I knew it was the instigator. I was so trapped. I knew then that I was an addict. Basically I was fucked and knew it! Praying became a regular occurrence. God was not in. All in all, my addiction lasted about two years, maybe longer. Some of the memories are deliberately blocked off as they hurt so much even now. Kim left just over halfway through that addiction. I don't blame her for that as I can understand that the lies must have been horrible to witness ne'er mind take in. It was hurting me to lie but I couldn�t help it. I needed the GHB so badly. But even worse was yet to come. On several occasions, I had taken so much that I had passed out and in such a deep sleep that my heart nearly stopped each time. My breathing at one time had become so erratic (I was told) that it was thought that it would stop. Paramedics were nearly called in, but I had woken up so quickly at one point that all were telling me what had happened and did not believe them. That was how strange and paranoiac GHB made one feel. You could not and did not believe what had happened. You thought that you had been dreaming and people were having a joke. God if only I knew, but I suppose that deep down I did. NIGHTMARES BECOME DAYMARES? During the day we would get on fine. We would have lunch and chat, the kids played on the lawn in the sunshine and it was great, I was really happy. Then the pressures started to get to me. Personally, I don't know why, but they did. Then I took the GH - and she knew it. Of course, I would lie, I had to, but she was right every time, I had taken it. I hid it away in different tubs in order to fool her. It did at first, but then she caught on. I cried every night after we had argued and she had stormed off again and again and again. I could not help lying. I wanted to die. THE STRANGEST FEELING As I was getting undressed, I glanced at the bed and wondered, "Hmnn, wonder where Kim is? She must have gone down stairs. I'll pop down and have a cuppa tea with her". So downstairs I went. She was no there. Looked in the bedrooms, the kids had gone? What was happening - where had everyone gone?? I had not realised in my head that no one lived with me anymore? The GHB had totally erased the last 6 months from my head. It was so frightening as I still did not know where anyone was! The WHOLE contents of my brain that contained anything whatsoever so do with the split had gone. How dangerous is that? How scary? How? Then for some reason I looked my car keys, don't know why just did, and on there was a key that I did not recognise, yet I got into my car and drove SOMEWHERE but I did not know where I was driving too. I was so full of this GHB shit, my body was on autopilot but I was not there. It was like a living nightmare. I arrived at a house that, at the time, I did not know. I tried the key in the door, it opened it. I walked in. I did not know where the fuck I was, didn't really care, I wanted to find Kim. I seriously thought that I was dreaming, so in a way, I was invulnerable - NOT! I walked up the stairs of this unknown house, got to the top and shouted "Kim" at the top of my voice. She came out of the bedroom door and was literally shocked to see me - it was about 2.00am - what was I doing there? THEN it all came rushing back to me, everything, BANG what was I doing for God's sake - am I mad? Kim tried to calm me down. She succeeded. But the thing that I could not take in was the fact that I thought that she was rejecting me, trying to push me away. No she wasn't but it was such a shock for her as it was for me. What was happening to me? The worst was yet to come. For the readers benefit, the house that I had gone to was one that she and I had arranged for her and the kids to live. It's just that my brain had dismissed all of that - totally. For whatever reason my conscience had tried to put me into a safe reality in a way, I regard myself as a strong man, not only physical, but of mind, I was looking after myself but losing. I thought, in a way, that my body was dying but there was nothing I could do about it. My subconscious could not accept the fact that I was losing my mind. Eventually I was calm enough to go home after about half an hour. I did so with some resistance simply because I was so frightened. I could not understand what I was doing - again, I wanted to die. It would have been a blessing at the time. I remember looking back at Kim at the door as I walked over its boundary, I will never forget it. Her face was one of sadness. I suppose that the respect that I had earned of her from the outset had gone. Here I was a shaking, frightened man afraid of his own shadow. I cried all the way home. HOME IS WHERE THE PAIN IS? As I mopped the dogs, bless 'em started quite naturally playing with the mop head that was rubbing the floor. Muttsy was the most energetic and was running and jumping like a dog possessed - his master was having fun, he could not understand it. Then shit happened. He ran in between my legs as, as bad luck had it, I was just starting to get really woozy with the GHB. My head was a mess and I was losing consciousness. Then I did totally. The last thing I remember was seeing myself from a totally independent view, somehow I don't know why, but looking down at myself. I remember this with sadness though, so much. My face hit the floor with so much force it woke me up for an instant, only to see and feel my front four main teeth flying across the kitchen floor. I didn't care, it didn't hurt, I was only dreaming. Then I remember standing up and trying to get my balance which I did only to remember my last thoughts at the time seeing my body and face just simply tipping forward, head and face first towards the cooker. My head hit it with so much force that my four main lower teeth broke and bent back literally at 90 degrees in my mouth. I was OK though as I thought was only dreaming. I wished I were as both eyes had nearly lost their sight too as I later learnt. Rosemary was about 13 at the time, she is one of my beautiful daughters, and I have two. She had been stopping with me through this bad time. I had forgotten about her totally. She was asleep in bed throughout my "dream". No one else was in the house at the time. My youngest son Thomas was at my wife�s house as he is nearly always anyway. He is always well looked after, that was THE priority, always has been, always will be. The next morning all I can remember was one hell of a scream, a cry so loud that it woke me from what I would have hoped at the time to be my death. It was my daughter Rosie, she screamed, "Dad, what have you done? What has happened? There is blood all over!" And there was. All over the kitchen floor and walls was blood, it was literally showered in my blood. There where teeth everywhere, and what was left in my mouth was hanging out. I STILL did not know what was happening. I remember trying to calm her down, I was thinking what was wrong, yet could not understand why my mouth was hurting so much. My body was still filled with GHB even after four hours of sleep, if you can call it that. I looked into the mirror and did not see me. What I did see was a bloody mush of bruises and blood. My face was gone. Teeth were hanging out and what was left, I pulled out with my fingers - I screamed in pain, but I suppose that was my conscience telling me that I deserved it you bastard! I pulled out a further three teeth with my fingers. I cried, I screamed, but the reality was coming back and I knew then what I had done. I should have cut my own throat. Angie and my eldest son Christopher arrived to see what could only be described as a hellhole. I was not I, more like someone out of a Texas Chain Saw Massacre re-make. It was hell but it had to be seen. GHB had taken yet another victim. It had to stop. TEARS ON A KEYBOARD However, from that time to the time when it all ended, many things happened that I have tried to write, but the tears keep hitting the keyboard. Believe me it is and was that hard so I cannot go into depth about the details. From the last paragraph to this one has been a week, that's how hard it has been to write this. But remember, a man who admits his foolish mistakes is one that has a chance. I had mine and have taken it. I remember, near to the end of my addiction, that I did go to a supplier and pick up what can only be described as a years worth of liquid GHB. On returning to home, I took one dose, which knocked me out immediately. I was woken up by Angie, I was lying on the floor and she said, �Mick you are going to die, you know that.� Her tears made me cry and I knew that I was going to die. Was I fuck!! I got every tub of GHB and tipped EVERY LAST BIT down the sink - it was gone. I let the tap run for about 20 minutes, I had to. It was gone and I could see it being a hard time, but there was a light at the end of the tunnel, but it was so far away. I knew that I was going to reach it - I had to. Angie was holding my hand, for my family, I had to make it. THE TURNAROUND The events that happened during my addiction were, in most cases so bad that I really do not want nor need to write about them in detail anymore. I feel that the point has been put through enough in the hope that the reader, should they be taking it or consider taking it, look at the situation enough to guide them away from the terrible life that they will have to endure. It is THAT bad. FUTURE? I know that it is hard to give up - but you can. The next day when you can only just remember that you actually drove your car through four red lights, nearly fell asleep and ploughed into a crowd of people stood just waiting to go home to their loved ones, things are then getting to a point where you should stop (or quickly die) so that you don't take innocents with you. This is what happened to me. It is the scariest feeling that I have ever known. MY FAMILY To my eldest daughter Sally, 19, I know that you were always there. Never doubted it, never will. For a Dad to have so much love from a child is indeed a blessing, in that context I am a rich man and a happy one too. I love you so much. To my youngest daughter Rosie, 15, as much love as I can possibly give is yours. What you witnessed can only be described as frightening. Your opinion on drugs now is admirable. I hope that the pain that I took and the pain that I gave out will keep your mind as strong as it is and against drugs. I love you so much. To my oldest son, Christopher. No man can ever be so proud to be the Father of such a son. There is nothing much more that I can say on that subject. Except for the fact that if I were the Father of the girl that you were to marry, I would be honoured to have you as a son-in-law. As it is, even better, you are my son. Pride is secondary, the first is that you are MY son. I love you so much. To Thomas my youngest son who is now 5. You are so innocent, and with that innocence comes a blessing. You saw your daddy cry and you cried too. I am sorry for your tears even though you did not know what they were for, yet you cried for me. You smiled at me, yet you knew not why. For you and as with all of my children, I would accept that my life had just twenty minutes left in order that you all lived a guaranteed long and fruitful life. You are my whole world. I am just glad that I am still here to watch you all grow up in it. But the twenty minutes that I had left would be spent holding you all. I love you so much. To my wife Angela. You saved my life. Ask of mine and it is yours. My love and respect for you cannot be described in words. I sit here in tears as I just cannot bring to words what I feel for you. You smile when I shout, you love when I hate, you listen when I do not hear, you're strong when I am weak - you are you. Thank you God for sending her to me. I love you Angela. All that I am is a man - a man who made a mistake - a man who thanks not God but his family for their love and respect. God will judge me when it is time. My family need me to be strong and because of them, I will protect them from any and all aggressors. The reader has to realise that if they are taking GHB - they are the aggressors and not only to themselves. I suppose that I am lucky. Not only for the fact that I am able to tell you all of the dangers of what GHB can do to you, but for the fact that I am deeply in love with my family. They were and are the strength that I needed to get me through the terrible ordeal. Seek help in your family and you will know what I mean. Should you have no one, look around and you will be amazed at just how many will want to be your family � not all humans are bad. The strength that you require to win through such an addiction is one that can only be found from within your own self. Strength comes from within and if you want it bad enough you will find it. God I hope that you do, because I feel the pain and always will for what I did and what I could have done to the one that I love so dearly. SUMMARY
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Freak
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Great post Strength Monster, woah what can I say? To be honest I was going to get some more in but will strongly think about it. As I said it took me 2 months to finish 100 grams. I used to use weed but it left me always feeling lazy and sleeping in all the time so I turned to G. Probably go back to weed, and there I was thinking ghb was suppossed to replace alcohol without the sides! Peace ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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TOP NOTCH post strengthmonster! I heard some horror stories from friends about it but thought that I'd be able to handle it responsibly. That's done it for me, GHB is no more in my life. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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good reading. thanks guys! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I am glad it helped. I too have considered it a few times as I get really bad insomnia. I think I'll stick to the weed as well! I am gonna bump this post for others to read as it could be life saving. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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You will NOT GET ADDICTED if you use it as it is supposed to be used, before you go to bed. This drug is not as powerful as its made out to be. Sure if you use it during the day, problems will arise, but most of the people on this board that I have talked to privatly use it only before they go to bed. THIS IS AN OK WAY TO USE IT !!! I know a lot about addiction, and as a nightcap, its unmatched. Grotto. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: How can you possibly say that you cannot get addicted to it by using it only at night. If a substance is addictive it does not matter what time of day you take it - it is addictive - period. I am positive that the bodybuilders who - HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ADDICTED, would have all started out using it ONLY AT NIGHT - as a 'night cap' as you stated. Sounds to me like you are in denial. If you read Mick's article (as above) you will see that he also took a long time to come to terms with the addiction. Please don't take this as a flame - hopefully you will at least realise the dangers of this drug, whether you continue it's use or not. Bump once again for others. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Hey dude. I seem to recall from the article that he used it during the day to compensate for his lifes problems. This is where grey becomes black. I still maintain that a mild to moderate dose will not lead to addiction if used 5 to 30 minutes before bedtime AND not used during the day. I used to smoke cigarettes when I went to jazz and blues clubs only. When I started to smoke more than that I had no option but to stop completely. Its the same with G, if used as a nightcap, I really beleive it not only This also is not a flame bro, but my sincere beleif. | ||
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Lets start off by saying absolutely nothing stated in any of the post related to this topic are based on documented scientific evidence. All statements are based on propaganda and fallacy. Duration and amount has a lot to due with addiction. We all know alcohol is addicting but if you only have a few drinks, YOU WILL NOT ALWAYS BECOME ADDICTED. Some people have more addictive personalities thank others, not to mention there is a differance between physical and mental addiction. There are several IND's which pertain to GHB that can prove the safety of this CARBOHYDRATE. Thats right GHB is not a drug it is a NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENT. GHB is found in everybody, meats, wines, some vegetables and fruits. I bet you didn't know the LD50 of GHB is higher than that of TYLENOL. Much of the so called GHB addiction can and are the results of PROHIBITION. Pure pharmacuetical grade GHB isn't found on the market too often and most of what is found is gammabutyrolactone. We all know amphetamines are addicting but you will not find one case in any medical referance of a patient getting addicting while following a physicians recomendations as PRESCRIBED. When things are used as a way out they have a potential to be abused. Listen to all these post, what do they have in common? MISUSE. Where other than by word of mouth have you read that GHB was meant to party on, to relax, calm stress, or just too make you feel good. GHB is sometimes the only thing that can help in severe cases of insomnia, working when all other drugs have failed to provide the patient with they needed, a decent nights rest. It's one of the safest substances to overcome the addiction of opiates, alcohol, cocaine. I have never read anything regarding GHB affecting seratonin in anyway. I would like know where you found that information. To decide not to do something based on the possibility of something that might happen but probably never will, unless done carelessly, is hypocracy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Good post Grotto-I have used it for a sleep aid for over 3 yrs. without a hint of a problem.If you sit around and take it all day long,you WILL develop a problem-Just like everything else.Its no more addictive than xanax or valium-and its much safer.Hell-its not even a drug by FDA standards(you have it natually in your brain)Too each his own J | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Hey GGmann I beleive the term you were looking for is the word "PROPOGANDA" See # 2. Main Entry: pro�pa�gan�da Peace. | ||
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Novice
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Good looking out! I'll slow down and pay more attention next time. Thanks bro, laterzzz. | ||
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Freak
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some people get a crazy hook on that, me ive never had a problem what-so-ever and ive done some partying on it, but then when i dont feel the need its no big deal to me--even if there is a gallon right in front of me...im to strong minded to get hooked to that shit...but i do like it... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I really wish we could get an accurate double blind study done on this stuff. The problem is the people with the money to do such a study get their money from the GOV who tell them what they can and cant do with it. (SIGH) Grotto. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I will be happy to take care of any surplus GHB that is no longer wanted  ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
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I still am gonna try and get some GHb(or GBl), and try it for sleep, if you only use it when you absolutely need it to sleep, it is safe to use, if you start using it to help problem in the day, then you will get addicted... big-guy | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Ggmann: You are very right in that amount and duration have EVERYTHING TO DO WITH ADDICTION! I have seen first hand what addiction is like and it is fucking very scary. I have never been addicted myself but have seen good friends throw their lives in the shitter. I've had to pick friends up from the hospital take care of friends that have fallen and cut themselves open from passing out, etc, etc. I've used this stuff on and off for several years and have never become addicted. If you start using this stuff on a daily basis throughout the day you can be assured that eventually you will become addicted. Once addicted it is harder to kick then heroin. I know a guy that is addicted to GHB 24/7 and doctors have told him that if he stopped taking GHB he would die becuase his body needs it. Now that fucking sucks that kid has to be on that shit for the rest of his fucking life. Like with anything else moderation is key. | ||
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GHB is addictive- in the sense that people with addictive personalities may abuse it. However that being said I know many people who have taken it every day all day long for up to a year at a time- never met anyone who could not quit. addiction is a very sad state of being, but for those who might have a problem with GHB it is more likely their own addictive drives that are at fault, rather than ghb itself. however in general GHB is NOT addictive, and certainly less so than any drug that is widely used including, but not limtited to, cannabis, alcohol, amphetamine, nicotine, meth amphetamine, oxy codone, hydrocodone, nubain, heroin, cocaine, caffiene, etc, etc,etc ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I decided not to use GHB when a friend of mine could not get to sleep without it. He only took it at nighttime also. It wasn't like he was a habitual user. I know some of you say it's not that bad for you, but I'm not willing to possibly take it for the rest of my life just so I can go to sleep... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
RoidRanger your post count has almost doubled in the last week were u one of them that had account taken away and then e-mailed giving higher post count? | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1802 |
quote: You ttok the words right out of my mouth. I posted on a thread last month and said basically the same thing. It has to do with the individuals personality. An addictive personality will get addicted to anything they find enjoyable. I have been taking ghb for over 3 years. When my stash is gone its gone. When I can get some I do. I dont need it everyday or night. I use it in moderation with no problems. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 782 |
Withdrawel from GHB sucks!! If you use GHB to sleep everynight and then you decide to stop, don't plan on sleeping for at least 5 days!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
I will say this, whether GHB is addictive or not, it CAN BE very dangerous. Sometimes you don't really know the strength of the stuff you have, which can cause you to G out (I'm sure some of you have experienced this). I've had bad experiences with it, and so have some of my friends. I personally wouldn't recommend it to anyone for bodybuilding or recreation. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 616 |
Too many people use GHB for recreational purposes, where "feeling good" is the goal. This type of personality or lifestyle is highly associated with drug abuse and addiction, so it is no surprise that GHB becomes a problem with this group. While I am not stupid enough to claim that this is the only people who get addicted to G, they seem to be the "type" that I hear horror stories concerning G addiction. Also, this group is responsible for the deaths associated with G use, generally due to combining drugs with GHB. I have never used GHB, since I never felt that it was useful to me....until now. I recently was diagnosed with narcolepsy, and GHB seems to be the best drug for this condition, although it was never approved for use in the US. It seems ironic that a drug that puts one to sleep would help a condition where excessive sleepiness is the problem, but GHB improves sleep architecture in narcoleptics and helps reduce the daytime fatigue. So now that I need to use GHB, and thanks to the idiots who can turn a seemingly non-toxic drug deadly, it is difficult to obtain or enormously expensive. | ||
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Moderator
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dont worry cockdezl if you have narcolepsy it is quite easy to get a script for GHB. Which has now been approved by the FDA for said use. I know 2 narcoleptics who have scripts, though both were in the FDA pilot program. peace ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 489 |
Not to sound cold hearted or anything, but those posts don't affect me that much. I feel pity for them, but I will still use GHB. I don't need to use it; I do it because I want to. Mick Hart was doing it to drown his sorrows away. However, is that true what Paul Borreson said about it lowering Cortisol levels? |
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posted March 06, 2001 05:25 AM
