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Riker29

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posted March 06, 2001 12:28 AM

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I hear a lot being said about Accutane on this board and I think there is a lot of misconceptions about it. So, since I have personal experience with it, I will provide some insight.

Accutane is not some mild remedy for acne. This is not something where you will see Jennifer Love Hewitt bouncing her rack around in a TV ad touting it. It can be some serious shit.

I am not a Doc, so if the terms are not 100% correct, no big deal.

I had a mild to moderate acne problem when I was younger. After years of washes, tetracycline, and other BS, I finally heard about Accutane. My Doc was not agreeable with this as a course of treatment, since it is usually used for only extreme cases. Finally, I told him that I WAS going to do it, with or without his help. I told him flat-out that I would even find my own dermatologist, and pay for it out of my own pocket if he (MY Doc) would not approve it for insurance. Finally, he knuckled under and agreed.

I was referred to a Derma(tologist) and we started.

Accutane is basically a synthetic form, of something very similar, to Vitamin A. It is very powerful.

There is a long list of possible side effects. For women, it is especially risky - if she gets pregnant while on it, the possible birth defects are scary (very). They will NOT provide Accutane to women unless she get�s a pregnancy test first, and agrees to be on 2 forms of contraceptives during the administration of Accutane.

But I am not a chick, so this was not an issue.

One of the possible side effects is a raising of your cholesterol. So, typically, a full Chol(lesterol) test is done prior to giving you Accutane as a baseline.

The dose of Accutane given varies depending upon your size, and the severity of your acne. Typically it is taken for about 4-5 months in one stretch. If you stop early, you will have some benefit, but it will be less. Why would you stop early? Most docs WILL require that your Chol levels be checked, and depending on the Doc, they may stop the use of it. That happened to me (more details later).

The way it works is, you take Accutane for your 4-5 months, then you are done. Then, your acne problems are WAY less. Now, its not the holy grail, it's not prefect. In fact, what is interesting is that it tends to be MOST effective on very very serve cases of acne (the cystic type). Milder acne cases tend to have less benefit, but there will be some.

The benefits do last a long long time, but are not forever. I noticed that after a few years, my acne did come back a bit, but much less than it was.

Before you start, there are several things they warn you about:

You cholesterol may go up. WAY up.

You will be very very sensitive to the sun.

Your skin will get dry. Very.

You will HAVE to drink a LOT of water.

Your acne will get worse (temporarily) before it gets better.

You must NOT take Vitamin A supplements while on it. This will act synergistically with the Accutane - and your sides will get worse.

With that all understood, I started.


No big deal for a week. Then, your skin starts getting dry, and your acne gets worse.

Now my worsening was not ALL that bad. I washed a lot, and was careful, so it got mildly worse. But still, it WILL get worse for a while. But that was not a bog deal with me.

OK, this is where it gets bad. My skin got dry. Very.

Ok, now I know that these AS sites have all of us Test-laden MoFo's and we are used to some amount of pain. So, most guys, when hearing about something like dry skin, just go "oh .. whatever, no big deal".

TRUST ME.

THIS IS NO PICNIC.

Dry. Like you will not believe. A faint white sheen from dry flakiness in certain areas.

Your lips so dry, that they crack. Crack. And bleed.

Imagine opening your mouth enough to eat a big burger and your lips crack and bleed. Ouch.

Now, I had heard about this prior, and was (probably like most guys reading this) going "yeah right - no big deal", so I was not drinking as much water, and not using a moisturizer that much. And after about a week into it, I figured "this ain�t too bad". Plus, since you acne gets worse for a while, that LAST thing you think of is potting moisturizer on your skin.

So, I was cruising along, acne got a bit worse, then within a few days, the dryness kicks in. THEN YOU START DRINKING WATER. LOL (duh).

I quickly learned the ropes about this...

Drink a TON of water. Then drink more. It helps.

Have a moisturizer with you ALL THE TIME. I went and got like a small purse-size one that chick�s use, and had it in my pocket ALL THE TIME. I had to apply it like 4 times during a work day to prevent getting this like "white" look on the surface of my skin, due to the layer of dry skin at the surface.

Have a lip balm with you ALL THE TIME. ALL FREEGIN DAY. Chap stick (regular) sucks. Its like wax and basically forms a layer to KEEP existing moisture IN. That won�t help. You need either Chap Stick Medicated (its almost like Vaseline) or Blistex. Blistex, is in a small tube, and its like a white cream - is THE best. I had tubes everywhere. In the car, at home, in my desk, in my pocket, in my jacket, You will need it.

Trust me.

So, my skin got dry, I learned how to manage it.

I went along for about 2.5 months, almost 3. Then my Chol tests came back (I had to get one like every 3-4 weeks, most Docs will insist upon this while on). My test showed that my Chol went WAY up.

Now this is what sucked for me. My Derma was this old dude who panicked, and made me STOP the Accutane. That sucked. I was young, healthy, etc., and frankly a temporary rise in Chol is not a big deal, but he stopped it. Damn.

So, that was cycle 1. It helped.

But, after like 18-24 months, my acne sorta came back. Damn.

So I went to my regular Doc, and told him I wanted to go for it again, He agreed.

So, we got a new set of Chol tests, and started.

I was smart this time.

To minimize the temporary worsening, I was sure to wash very well, and use some good topicals when I started. That helped. The "worsening" was minimal.

I started drinking TON of water from day 1. That helped a lot.

Sure enough, the dry skin started, albeit much less than before. I was prepared. At about say 7-10 I started to moisturize, preemptively. That helped.

I was armed with Blistex everywhere. I knew the drill. Blistex and a pocket-sized thing of moisturizer. Worked like a charm.

We watched my Chol levels. I was smart this time. I started working out then to keep the Chol levels down. I ate very well. I took Metamucil to keep my system moving. Lots of bran too. It all helped. My Chol went up, but not too much. We knew that it would drop after the Accutane was halted.

So, I finished that course about 6 years ago.

Since then my acne has been much much less than it ever was. In the past year or 2, it has come back a tiny bit, but its manageable.

So, there it is. Accutane.

It is good, but it is a bit harsh. I know it has other possible effects (on organs, maybe liver, kidneys, I dunno) but for me that was not a problem.

Trust me, learn from my advice. Don�t be a Test-laden bull-headed dumbass and blow off what I sad about the dry skin and lips. This will be the WORSE you have EVER experienced that in your life. But, if you drink a TON of water, moisturize, and get some good lip-stuff, you can deal with it.

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I am new to this board, and have been reading a LOT. I am planning cycle #1 very soon. However there are some areas (such as this, and Keto diets) that I am very familiar with. So, this is my contribution to the group. Hopefully this post will help and be pulled up often in the search pages.

No, if I could only find out if I can drink Winny. LOL (that�s a joke).

Later for now.


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Amp

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posted March 06, 2001 12:50 AM

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Good post. I like reading the detailed personal experiences that others have had rather than some of the generic regurgation of previous information - hey that rhymes.

How do you know if you have cystic acne? What's the difference between a bunch of big zits on your back after a cycle, and the cystic type?


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Riker29

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posted March 06, 2001 01:04 AM

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Cystic ....... well, they are Cysts. Those are the ones that startt really deep. You almost feel them way down deep before you see them. They take weeks to start, surface, and go away. They can hurt like hell. Tend to have a large area of inflammation.

The other types are the normal whiteheads and blackheads.


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The Grinch

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posted March 06, 2001 01:31 AM

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Good Post. Thanks for the info


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Phreaky

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posted March 06, 2001 04:08 AM

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Great post Riker....I'm on week 5 of my course and the sides are somewhat tolerable. The dry skin is a definate problem. I was stubborn and also thought that dry skin wouldn't be soo bad. My arms were so dry that there was a slight rash developing. I gave in and started using moisterizer and the skin is healing up quickly. Clearing up everywere now but there is still evidence of the initial break out. This stuff may actually work.....


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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 06, 2001 04:18 AM

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This is a good post but I must admit Slopain's experience with it was quite different than yours. I guess it is about individuality. I have been on it before but only for 6 weeks and then came off. I will soon be using it to clear up my acne.

Peace


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Riker29

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posted March 06, 2001 05:44 AM

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Yes, experinces vary somewhat. However I have speoken with many people who have been through a course of Accutane treatement, and even sorta "coached" several people while they were on it. My experinces and symptoms (with the exception of the part where I had to stop mid-way through) are very similar to those which many people have.


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Providian

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posted March 06, 2001 07:35 AM

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Great post Riker- I was just getting ready to ask my dermatologist for some but after reading your experience I'm gonna let it go. I hate the zits, but theyre not so bad to put up with that shit. Thanks.


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dahmer

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posted March 06, 2001 09:18 AM

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I posted this a while ago:I am on Accutane right now and it is killing me!!! My last cycle was really bad for acne. My back was covered. I got sick of waiting around. I asked mt derm, but he said hell no! So I bought some from the internet. It is expensive as hell, but anything is better then oily skin, so I thought......
I have been on for almost a month and teh sides are killing me. My lips are dry and cracking, no matter ho wmuch stuff I put on them it doesn't help. My face is scaly and alway peeling. My nose is peeling like I have sunburn!! The edges of my ear lobes are flakey and peeling!! My back is starting to look better, but it is itchy as hell. I am getting those little bumps all over, like the kind you get on your calves during the winter from exessive dryness. They are on my arms and back! I am brwaking out on my face worse now then when I was "on" No hairloss, thank GOD! My new hellish symptom is my hands ar dry and the skin under my fingernails is cracked and bleeds!!! It hurts typing this. This all better be worth it in the long run. I am pissed off!!! By the way my dosage is 40mg a day. I plan to run it for 4 months. If I haven't shriveled up by then!!!

I have noticed a few things. First thing is I am using a moisturizing soap know and it works good. Also use Netrogena Non-comodegenic face creme. For my lips I have been using Blistek Lip Medex or Burt's Beeswax Lip Balm. I have a few months to go!!


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Killer

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posted March 06, 2001 09:59 AM

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I agree with the other post. The sides seem to vary. About the only problem I had was a nose bleed several times a day. But, I know some people that their skin dried out and cracked and another's had her hair fall out.


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Riker29

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posted March 06, 2001 10:27 AM

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Dahmer, get some lip stuff NOW. Get the Blistex of you can, and/or Chap Stick Medciated.

Also, if you can, go to some chick skincare salon (the types that do fgacials and stuff) that carries Dermalogica products. Tell them what's up (you can call ahead and talk if you want, so you can just cruise in and ask for a product). Tell them you are on Accutane, and that you have very dry skin. Chances are they have seen it before, and frankly many of these chicks know a lot about skin care.

After all, its very imprtant that they look god for us. : )


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ulter

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posted March 06, 2001 10:28 AM

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It is very much an individual thing. I am in the middle of my 4th month. I do drink 2 gallons a day of water and that may account for the fact I do not have incredibly dry skin, however my chapstick is never out of arms length. I just got back from Manzanillo, Mexico where I used a 48spf sunscreen at Slopains suggestion and had no sunburn even being out 4 hours on the ocean fishing. I did get some color after 5 days, but no burn. Over the last 3 months I have been on cyp, Oxandrolone, deca, eq, susp. So I will re-state this... You can use it with gear.

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Riker29

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posted March 06, 2001 03:45 PM

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If using it while ON, I would suggest that its all the more imprtant to have your Cholesterol checked during the AS and Acc. cycles, and maybe even have your liver functions checked as well (especially if doing some of the oral AS's which tend to be a bit stressful on the liver).


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Phreaky

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posted March 06, 2001 09:25 PM

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What dosages is everybody here taking? I'm taking 80mg/day.


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Badkins21

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posted March 06, 2001 11:33 PM

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GREAT FUCKING POST MAN!! I'M THINKING OF ASKING MY DOCTOR FOR IT IF MY ACNE GETS ANY WORSE...

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