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Originally posted by Beef It:
orchitis...how about after 8 weeks of EQ and winny?...when would you start the clomid then?...i am doing a show on the sat of the 8th week and i want to make sure i stay full...also, is arimidex better than clomid if i can get my hands on it?

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Beef It, check out what Stewmeat posted yesterday. I think it will help. Nevermind, I'll just copy & paste it here for ya.

BTW, I feel that arimidex is much more effective than clomid as an anti-estrogen, but not for getting the natural test level back up. Arimidex keeps me lean, because it reduces the estrogen levels. I think it's good stuff. Well, here's Stew's post:

EQ- Bolderone
Takes 2-3 weeks before it is out of the system. It is pointless to start clomid until then and if you start it after then you will gave a one week period where you will have not enough hormone in your system to retain your gains as your test has not had a chance to come back nautrally.
Lets look at the last couple of weeks of an injection schedule of bolderone. I will use 400mg/week because I think that will be much better than 300. Keep in mind the life of bolderone is about 2 weeks. The first mondy is how much was injected to start with. The next injection days are days that have bolderone still present in the system plus the added injection from that day.

Most of what you know somes from what your have heard from other people who don't know what they are talking about. Most of the people here only regurgitate what they have heard others say. The following is not from "he-said-that-his-friend-said-that-someone-said-this-was-true" but was derived from scientific deductive reasoning based on research on esters and their substrate release.

(M1) represents what is left from MONDAY of the 1st WEEK
(F1) would be the friday from the first week.
Likewise, (M3) would be the amount still active from Week 3's Monday injection.

Read and learn, Iron Game.

1st Week -Monday: 200mg
initial injection

1st Week -Friday: 355mg in blood stream
initial injection still present (155mg) plus another injection (200mg)

2nd Week -Monday: 470in blood stream
(M1)115mg
(F2)155mg
(M2)200

2nd Week Friday: 535mg in blood stream
(M1)65
(F1)115
(M2)155
(F2)200

3Monday..555mg
(M1)20
(F1)65
(M2)115
(F2)155
(M3)200

3rd Week -Friday: 555mg
(M1)0
(F1)20
(M2)65
(F2)115
(M3)155
(F3)200

4th Week -Monday 555mg
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)20
(F2)65
(M3)115
(F3)155
(M4)200

4th Week -Friday: 555mg
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)20
(M3)60
(F3)115
(M4)155
(F4)200

5th Week -Monday 555mg
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)20
(F3)65
(M4)115
(F4)155
(M5)200

5th Week -Friday 555
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)0
(F3)20
(M4)65
(F4)115
(M5)155
(F5)200

6th Week -Monday 555
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)0
(F3)0
(M4)20
(F4)65
(M5)115
(F5)155
(M6)200

6th Week -Friday

(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)0
(F3)0
(M4)0
(F4)20
(M5)65
(F5)115
(M6)155
(F6)200

OK... Do you see the trend? With bi-weekly injections of 200mg of the bolderone, you will reach a saturation zone of 555mg.

Now, we are going to stop all of our injections. No more injections... Watch what happens to hormone levels:

7th Week -Monday: 355mg
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)0
(F3)0
(M4)0
(F4)0
(M5)20
(F5)65
(M6)115
(F6)155
(M7)0

7th Week -Friday: 200mg present in the body which is plenty left to retain your gains however not enough to promote anabolism.
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)0
(F3)0
(M4)0
(F4)0
(M5)0
(F5)20
(M6)65
(F6)115
(M7)0
(F7)0

8th Week -Monday: 85mg in blood. This is just barely enough to deter catabolism. However it is still too much exogenous androgen to allow natural hormone production to resume.
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)0
(F3)0
(M4)0
(F4)0
(M5)0
(F5)0
(M6)20
(F6)65
(M7)0
(F7)0
(M8)0

8th Week -Friday: 20mg of Ex. Hormone in system! I would recomend that the Clomid be taken 300mg on day: Wednesday of week 8. then follow with 100mg per day for the following week till next Wednesday then drop the dose to 50mg. Also, on Wednesday, you should hit 2500iu of HCG and again on Fri or Saturday.
(M1)0
(F1)0
(M2)0
(F2)0
(M3)0
(F3)0
(M4)0
(F4)0
(M5)0
(F5)0
(M6)0
(F6)20
(M7)0
(F7)0
(M8)0
(F8)0

9th Week -Monday: Natural test level have probably resumed up to 75%. If you used HCG and Cyclofenil, they may be up to 100-110% functioning. The following 50mg EOD of clomid will help to make sure that the pituatary does't relapse and that in order for a steady stream of lutenizing hormone to be released for testicular stimulation.

If your cycle is longer, (and it should be, this was only for demonstration purposes) then your body will maintain 555mg of bolderone throughout the entire cycle until you stop the exogenous injections where levels will fall in exactly the same way as described above. It doesn't matter how long you stay on, the levels will act the same. 2 injections per week will keep levels from fluncuating.

The theme of this is: DO NOT START TAKING CLOMID RIGHT AFTER YOUR LAST INJECTION.
Enthanate, Propinate, Deconate, Iscoparate, etc... all have different lifespans. Clomid should be timed to comensate for the differences.
Never run bolderone for the same length as cypionate or prop.
My advice on an EQ and Enthanate cycle would be to increase the last bolderone injection to about 100-200mg higher than the reset of the injections and stop the injectioins on week earlier than the enthanate. That will make the perfect transisition in regards to the test and the eq leaving the system at the same time. Otherwise, your natural test will remain inhibited. Then hit the clomid/hcg one week after the last enthanate injection.

Timing is everything.

-Stew

From there... you shoot your load

My point is, you don't need clomid to make you be able to ejaculate as shrunken testicles have nothing to do with ejaculation.