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 FASTING: ANY LOGIC TO THIS???
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 169 |
Ok fasting for a few days after 3-4 months of hard lifting,,any logic to this or is it just a buncha crap?     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 849 |
THEIR IS NO MEDICAL BENEFITS TO FASTING. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2238 |
Juice Seeker I beg to differ fasting can be very beneficial at times. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 849 |
HOW IS FASTING BENEFICIAL?? STARVING YOURSELF SLOWS DOWN YOUR METABOLISM. TO LOSE WEIGHT YOU HAVE TO SUPPLY YOUR BODY WITH THE RIGHT NUTRIENTS AND CALORIES. IN THE LONG RUN, YOU WILL BE HURTING YOURSELF MORE. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 77 |
i agree. I read somewhere that when you start to fast your body goes into a storage mode.It srores all the cal. you have into fat cells. But if you dont eat for a long time your body burn the fat Because it has to get energy from somewhere. So if you fast for like a day it might help you add on some wieght. That is just what i read. I have never tried it. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2238 |
Of course it slows down your metabolism but it is something that should be done once every 6-8 months for a period of 2-3 days. Helps clean out your body would go off on one and proove my point but read up and you will see, besides im off to bed right now. Peace | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 482 |
Animals when injured or diseased don't eat! They do this to allow the body full attention to clear itself of any problems and to focus on healing. I think after a cycle , lets say 3 weeks or more after cycle, fasting for 3 to 5 days with nothing but water can be very beneficial, maybe just fruit, vegetables and water! Yes, you will drop weight, strength, some mass and feel lethargic and of course hungry but you will gain that back very quickly. The benefits of this is that after a cycle your body usually has been over stuffed with food or at the least filled with chemicals that have taxed the human system and this fasting time allows the body to detoxify itself and cleanse itself making for a cleaner better tuned machine. There is a lot of valid medical studies and reports showing the benefits of fasting, they of course recommend longer periods. Don't for one minute think that not eating for 3 days will cause you to shrink to a little weak man that you will not ever overcome. The body is very adaptive and will be healthier and free of many toxins and free radicals when you are done fasting. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 588 |
Fasting is NEVER beneficial. It was believed that fasting would clean out the colon and allow the natural flora to replenish with different and potentially more helpful strains as well as a couple of other things like helping to clear clogged artieries. But since the 80's studies have proven that fasting is detrimental to the body. It will cause adipose to lock up and not release fat as fuel. Instead it burns muscle as fuel as muscle is what will drain the needed calories that would otherwise be used to support life. It will kill your immune system and not only allow introduction of parasites, infection, disease, candida, yeast infections, athletes foot, ringworms, etc,... but it will also promote the growth of cancer cells that would have otherwise been phagocytised. But the worst aspect of fasting is that the thyroid will be ordered to halt production of T3. This will slow the metabolism and ultimately cause everything you eat to be stored as fat instead of used a energy. DO NOT FAST. Unless you have specific instructions from God wherein he may protect your vitals...
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 896 |
when muslims fast they dont fast the whole day.....later ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 24 |
There is a book by Harvey Diamond called "FIt For LIfe ", that discusses the benefits of fasting in detail. Basically he says that it will help cleanse the system of toxins and can be used for fat burning in a healthy manner. What happens is that the body adjusts to fasting after a couple of weeks and instead of using the glycogen system your body starts using the glucagon system which burns fat for energy as opposed to carbs- b/c you haven't eaten enough carbs. the body then goes into a state of ketosis in which it produces ketone bodies for energy as a last resort. Whatever happens internally i can't imagine that this kind of dieting will provide a true bodybuilder w/ enough energy to make gains. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 588 |
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 482 |
Interesting points Stew! I still think 3 days of just water every 3 months can't be that bad for you and will actually lead to a healthier more efficent machine. I agree going for weeks is not good and not what the B. builder will benefit from. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
Don't you mean cognitive dissonance? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 429 |
I'm not convinced that fasting is all bad. 2 or 3 days, maybe. I tend to agree with Iron Game. Two or three days of fasting is not going to be "detrimental" to your health. Two or three weeks I think would be. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 443 |
The only time I would fast is 12 hours before a blood test,which I happen to be getting at 10:45 a.m. tomorrow. But,most of that time will be spent sleeping.2 liters of water will be consumed at 10:45 p.m. tonight,then I will drink 2 liters of water at 10:00 a.m.,before the test Then,it's cycle time ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
fasting is an EXCELLENT WAY to help your body , specially kidneys and liver , to clean the body toxins , free radicals and rest the whole metabolism. For those that cannot understand that, please , get some instructions prior to write your own opinion, because those ARE MEDICAL FACTS!!! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 588 |
WHAT I STATED ABOUT FASTING IS MEDICAL FACTS. FACTS = RESEARCH NOT SOME DUFFAS ASS WRITING A BOOK. FACTS=RESEARCH=FASTING WILL SCREW YOU UP
[This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited March 06, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 482 |
Stew meat please explain how fasting for 3 days, 72 hours , will f*ck you up? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
SORRY STEW- I GUESS SOME OF US FORGET YOUR THE FINAL AUTHORITY AROUND HERE- BY THE WAY WHEN IS YOUR BOOK GONNA BE PUBLISHED? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 169 |
Well those are some pretty good arguments for and against.....now I guess I need to decide if its worth it. ? ? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 613 |
"WHAT I STATED ABOUT FASTING IS MEDICAL FACTS. FACTS = RESEARCH NOT SOME DUFFAS ASS WRITING A BOOK. FACTS=RESEARCH=FASTING WILL FUCK YOU UP"
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
I've always understood it that fasting created stress on the body. That stress causes the release of cortisol that basically tears your system down. When you are fasting, you probably won't be able to sleep. When your body is starving, it is in survival mode. That means being awake most of the time in search of food. I don't see the benefit either. ------------------ http://www.manilahotties.com And I am not nor have ever been, or know a source, so don't ask. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 588 |
Myo, that's just the tip of the iceburg. The brain is the only energy expending tissue in the body that does not have its own glycogen stores. It relies solely on the direct release of energy from the food that you eat as well as the glycogen stored in the liver and muscular pools. While fasting, the body's glycogen is completly depleted. The body can not break down its supply of bodyfat and muscular tissue fast enough to supply adequate energy for brain function and to support the continuing myleinization of axons in the brain and thus damages the oligocytes (which make mylein from fatty acids). As a result the brain cells begin to die as their supply of ATP runs out (glycogen-glucose-electron transport chain-ATP-cellular function-life). To topple that out, the body doesn't receive the nessasary vitamins, minerals, and isoflavones that are used in construcing enzymes that speed up cellular activity such as break down toxins, and the imune system is destroyed due to both lack of organic and inorganic cofactors and energy to carry out their various processes, and also causes hormonal shutdown that will take weeks to recouperate (ex. dopamine, serotonin, thyroid hormone, testosterone, LH, adrenaline, as well as inhibitory hormones that normally bind to the GABA receptors). As a function of thyrodial shutdown, your metabolism will all but stop in an effort to conserve energy. This effort is devoted for the conservation of energy so that the heart can continue to beat and so that your survival mechanism can function long enough for you to find a source of food. Depending on your genetics while fasting you are a ticking time bomb where your heart WILL stop at any given second when the heart's ATP pool is exhausted. Pulminary myoinfarction is guaranteed but the time you have my range from a day of fasting to possibly weeks depending on environmental and hereditary factors. As a means of preventing the gastric fluids from eating your insides out due to lack of substanance by which to act upon, the body releases calcium carbonate as a buffer (exactly the mechanism of most antiacids such as TUMS with calcium). That calcium that is used to buffer the acidity of the gastric fluids, comes from the astrocytes in the bones shuttling the needed nutrient from within the bone cells. In only days (not weeks) the bones become so brittle that your teeth will easly break off with only the slightest gritting and the pelvic region (has the highest concentration of buffering astrocytes) will be extremely suceptable to injuries with only the slightest of trauma. While fasting your body will literally eat itself and you will dwindle into a walking piece of shit. At any second you could go into hypoglycemic shock due to an unreactive pancreas, intestinal bleeding due to the natural flora being left undisturbed and will begin feeding on the intestinal walls causing diverticulitis, polups, and as the chemicals that rest in the colon are not being clensed by the influx of food material, colon cancer is a very serious threat. Also the break down of carbohydrates (CH2O) yeilds Carbon and H20 (water). Without that water, your body will dehydrate. Without the added fats, your joints will not have the needed lubrication and will begin to irritate and damage the cartlege that cushions them. You have packets called bursa that lie between your skin and joints such as the elbow and knees. Combined with the fact that there is no oil to help elasticate the skin, the bursa will shrink and your skin will begin to tear at these places. I would go on and on, but I am sick of typing. DO NOT FAST. -Stew | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 642 |
only if you are muslim. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 588 |
Lats, I suspect that my book will be finished in 3-4 months depending on how much time I can find to work on it. However, it will be based on research. BTW, if anyone would like to review a few chapters from my book on Physiology and Bodybuilding, drop me an email. -Stew | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 205 |
Damn STew....Looks like that shut em up!!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
quote: WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF ITS THE PROTEIN YOU SELL THAT MAKES YOU SO F'IN SMART, STEW :-) ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 613 |
STEW, the explanation you gave was appropriate for long term STARVATION, such as marasmus or kwarshiorkor, not for a short term fast. Fasting has been performed for as long as humans have been on earth, both in times of scant food and for religious purposes. A fast, say like that performed by a Muslim, is not even close to what you describe..."the brain cells begin to die as their supply of ATP runs out (glycogen-glucose-electron transport chain-ATP-cellular function-life)"????,..."Depending on your genetics while fasting you are a ticking time bomb where your heart WILL stop at any given second when the heart's ATP pool is exhausted"????. Come on man!, that is not a fast that is famine. In all situations of calorie deprivation (even the diets that are used in bodybuilding), there is a phase where the body goes into negative nitrogen balance and increases gluconeogenesis. This occurs to allow the body time to upregulate ketotic enzymatic pathways, after which the body will use ketones as fuel to preserve protein stores. In fasting, the amount of protein used will be greater over the long run, since no protein is being added to the system for replacing lost protein. I am not supportive of fasting, especially in bodybuilding, but it is definately not the horror that you make it to be. Please give real world evidence to support your claims. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 77 |
I am glad i now know what will really happen when you fast. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 179 |
Ghandi sure was one buff mother fucker. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Cuts (edited March 06, 2001).] |
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