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 First Cycle .....PLEASE COMMENT......
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Novice 
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I am 37 5'11'' 195/ BF% 14% been lifting for 3yrs Have been working 1-2 body parts per day 3-4 sets 10-12 reps 5 days a week,every 3rd to 4th week I go heavy 3-4sets 6-8 reps...I eat pretty clean. Lots of chicken,turky burgers,protien shakes,MRP... I am considering doing the following cycle to try and gain 10-15lbs solid gains. Wk1...300mg EQ Ultragran Considering EQ over Deca b/c of fear of deca dick and it is a little cheaper..Also I think the gains will be better b/c it is a little more androgenic    | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 16 |
Looks like a solid first cycle, I would add another week of Clomid at the end at 50 EOD. I think 10 - 15 lbs is a very reasonable goal. Luc  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 367 |
exactly, add another week of clomid at 50mg a day and ur straight, why not add some test at 500 mg a week for those 8 weeks? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 100 |
be careful with running the clen right after your cycle. the clen will cut you appetite so you wont be as hungry as you were with the EQ, and that might be a factor with trying to keep your gains. maybe push it back a week or two. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 562 |
Start the clomid one week earlier. The bolderone ester will start to release all of its androgen inabout 2 weeks thats when you need to shock those leydig cells into perfroming their normal duties. Also add another week at 50 EOD -Stew | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 2040 |
I would run it like this: EQ 1: 400mgs weekly 2: 400mgs 3: 400mgs, 50mgs of clomid eod. 4: 400mgs 5: 400mgs 6: 400mgs 7: 400mgs 8: 400mgs 9: 400mgs. 10:400mgs 11: clen working to a load dosage for 3 weeks then take a week off, continue until you feel your cut enough. But use clomid eod throughout cycle starting week 3, EQ although fairly mild on the test production can definately shut it down. Not bad for a first cycle but I would have used test. Peace, ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2209 |
Stew you really recommend using clomid 3 weeks after the last injection of eq? Clen seems well place use clomid 2 weeks after your last eq shot. WCP's cycle plan looks solid but IMO no need to use clomid during your cycle. ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 562 |
EQ- Bolderone Takes 2-3 weeks before it is out of the system. It is pointless to start clomid until then and if you start it after then you will gave a one week period where you will have not enough hormone in your system to retain your gains as your test has not had a chance to come back nautrally. Lets look at the last couple of weeks of an injection schedule of bolderone. I will use 400mg/week because I think that will be much better than 300. Keep in mind the life of bolderone is about 2 weeks. The first mondy is how much was injected to start with. The next injection days are days that have bolderone still present in the system plus the added injection from that day. Most of what you know somes from what your have heard from other people who don't know what they are talking about. Most of the people here only regurgitate what they have heard others say. The following is not from "he-said-that-his-friend-said-that-someone-said-this-was-true" but was derived from scientific deductive reasoning based on research on esters and their substrate release.
Read and learn, Iron Game.
1st Week -Friday: 355mg in blood stream 2nd Week -Monday: 470in blood stream 2nd Week Friday: 535mg in blood stream 3Monday..555mg 3rd Week -Friday: 555mg
4th Week -Friday: 555mg
5th Week -Friday 555 6th Week -Monday 555 6th Week -Friday (M1)0 OK... Do you see the trend? With bi-weekly injections of 200mg of the bolderone, you will reach a saturation zone of 555mg. Now, we are going to stop all of our injections. No more injections... Watch what happens to hormone levels: 7th Week -Monday: 355mg 7th Week -Friday: 200mg present in the body which is plenty left to retain your gains however not enough to promote anabolism. 8th Week -Monday: 85mg in blood. This is just barely enough to deter catabolism. However it is still too much exogenous androgen to allow natural hormone production to resume. 8th Week -Friday: 20mg of Ex. Hormone in system! I would recomend that the Clomid be taken 300mg on day: Wednesday of week 8. then follow with 100mg per day for the following week till next Wednesday then drop the dose to 50mg. Also, on Wednesday, you should hit 2500iu of HCG and again on Fri or Saturday. 9th Week -Monday: Natural test level have probably resumed up to 75%. If you used HCG and Cyclofenil, they may be up to 100-110% functioning. The following 50mg EOD of clomid will help to make sure that the pituatary does't relapse and that in order for a steady stream of lutenizing hormone to be released for testicular stimulation. If your cycle is longer, (and it should be, this was only for demonstration purposes) then your body will maintain 555mg of bolderone throughout the entire cycle until you stop the exogenous injections where levels will fall in exactly the same way as described above. It doesn't matter how long you stay on, the levels will act the same. 2 injections per week will keep levels from fluncuating. The theme of this is: DO NOT START TAKING CLOMID RIGHT AFTER YOUR LAST INJECTION. Timing is everything.
[This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited March 04, 2001).] | ||
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Freak
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Stew no need to be stuck up, especially when you are wrong. So what if the eq stays in the system for a period of greater than 3 weeks. It is not rocket science here. You are trying to say you can only start up natural test production when all or most of the eq has left the system and should not attempt to start up or restore hpta before then? I didnt think so. You stated above start clomid 3 weeks after last eq injection. It should be started 2 weeks after last injection and if you try and dispute this then oh boy, yes it can be started earlier on as well. And try and cut out all the smart ass comments that I have noticed you have been directing at me lately. Whats the matter mad because I didnt want to buy any of your protein? [This message has been edited by The_Iron_Game (edited March 04, 2001).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Why are you afraid of deca dick. I bet u have nothing to worry about ------------------ |
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posted March 04, 2001 01:42 AM
