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Tall Dude

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posted March 03, 2001 11:18 AM

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http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/travel/travel.htm

I'm re-posting this link because it appears to have disappeared or been deleted.

There has already been extensive debate, because the site makes some statements that appear initially to be conflicting:

It says that you can bring class 2 through 5 controlled substances back into the United States through customs if you have less than 50 units and you declare them for personal use. It further says the drugs must be approved in the U.S. (anabolic steroids are class 3, which is covered by this ruling)

It later says that you can't bring back illegal street drugs including heroin, anabolic steroids, and leatrile.

I interpret this statement to mean that you can't bring back dianabol, rohypnol, and other drugs not current available in the U.S.

I do find this ruling surprising, since it appears that you can bring back morphine and other class 2 drugs for personal use. I think most of us would agree that morphine is very addictive and potentially very dangerous.

Anyway, it would be great if there was a lawyer on this board that could read the federal ruling related to customs and importation of controlled substances for personal use and put it into regular english for all of us.

Thanks to ChrisInAZ for finding this information.


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posted March 03, 2001 12:10 PM

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Does this also mean that you can mail it through for personal use? I would think so since you can order other perscription drugs already from other countries as long as it's not over a 90 day supply. Where did you hre about this ruling?


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barbells79

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posted March 03, 2001 12:16 PM

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this is very interesting stuff,i agree if there was someone out there to interpret this it would be really cool, as it is conficting info. i would also like the intepretation on the mail order end of it also.

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Tall Dude

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posted March 03, 2001 01:23 PM

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It looks like you have to carry controlled substances on your person and declard them, so mail order appears to be out. Here some of the text from the website link I posted above:

Warning: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) prohibits the importation, by mail or in person, of fraudulent prescription and nonprescription drugs and medical devices. These include unorthodox "cures" for such medical conditions as cancer, AIDS, arthritis, or multiple sclerosis. Although such drugs or devices may be legal elsewhere, if the FDA has not approved them for use in the United States, they may not legally enter the country and will be confiscated if found, even if they were obtained under a foreign physician�s prescription.

new federal ruling allows U.S. residents reentering the United States at international land borders to bring back, without a prescription, up to 50 dosage units of medications on the Drug Enforcement Agency's (DEA) controlled substances list, Schedules 2 through 5. You may bring in more than 50 units if you have a prescription written by a U.S.-licensed physician whom DEA has authorized to prescribe these medications.

Please note that this rule applies only to medications that can be legally prescribed in the United States. You still can't bring back drugs or medications not permitted in the United States, such as anabolic steroids, laetrile, or heroin.

If you are returning by a land border and you are bringing back medications that qualify under this rule, you must declare them. Also, they must be for your own personal use, and they must be in their original container. Finally, you should be aware that drug products not approved by the FDA may not be allowed under this rule. Such unapproved drugs are often of unknown quality, may have been manufactured under inferior conditions, and may not be as safe or effective as their U.S. counterparts, even when they have the same name. Take the generic drug diazepam, for example. It is manufactured in the United States, Canada, and Mexico as Valium. But it�s also sold in Canada under the names Neo-Calme and Rival, and in Mexico as Pacitran and Relazepam. Are all these brands equally effective or safe? Not necessarily.


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Riker29

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posted March 03, 2001 01:26 PM

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we need to have someone here - who knows the guy at steriodlaw.com (I think thats the address), give that lawayer a heads up and ask for his opinion on this ruling, and its ramifications.

When I read it it appears to me that:

You can now bring in items in certain schedule classes for personbal use (hance the lmiitation on the number of units)

it must be something which is approved for use here in the US in some manner

.... but its some really strange wording, almost as if you can BRING it in, but yet then possessing it is still illegal. They let you past the border, ... that's ok .... only to arrest you for having it once you are here?

It is a confusing ruling.


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IronFist

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posted March 03, 2001 01:29 PM

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I think I'll let someone else declare their roids to the guys at customs. If a few people do it and get to keep their shit then what the hell, I might try it. But for now, when I go over the border Sunday, I'm going to stash my shit in my car so I don't have to learn an expensive lesson.


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posted March 03, 2001 01:33 PM

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I would definitely like more info on this!


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posted March 03, 2001 01:37 PM

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As far as I know any drug that you can legally carry over is also legal to mail in as long as it is not over a 90 supply. I'm going to call customs on Mon. Bet you I don't get anywhere but lets hope so.


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barbells79

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posted March 03, 2001 02:59 PM

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nitestalker
it would very interesting and informative if you could post what info (if any) they give you.


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CN1

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posted March 03, 2001 03:00 PM

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look bottom line? Can we bring roids back or not? I would like to know the reasons why not, if we cant, we can bring a narcotic or something but not roids, makes no sense, I wish someone would find out and let us know, I want to know if you can bring it back or not!


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CN1

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posted March 03, 2001 03:36 PM

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okay guys....here is the deal, you can visit customs at customs.ustreas.gov/travel.htm
or call 202-307-1000, it states you can bring back the drugs except steroids, rohyp, and heroin, now why cant we bring back steroids, they are not illegal to prescribe? This is a discrimination clause, and we need to work to make the change to the clause, they will let certain drugs that are dangerous, but not steroids, I am thinking about calling the number, I dont think its right for the gov to discriminate against steroids, they are drugs just like the other ones, why should we as steroid users be put under the gun, if we have a personal desire to use then the law should protect us also, instead of trying to bust us at every expense or oppurtunity, could some bros on here mount up and lets get this steroid law changed, so we can use the drug without penalties, and since it is hard and expensive to obtain, I think we should get the roids available in the clause.


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posted March 03, 2001 03:36 PM

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i guess it would be a little to late to ask us customs for my money back, plus my stuff.


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Tall Dude

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posted March 03, 2001 04:58 PM

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CN1 - Here is the exact wording from the website:

"Please note that this rule applies only to medications that can be legally prescribed in the United States. You still can't bring back drugs or medications not permitted in the United States, such as anabolic steroids, laetrile, or heroin."

Let's try and reason this out. They are probably referring to anabolic steroids that are NOT able to be legally prescribed in the U.S., which includes Dianabol and a few others. Testosterone, Deca, Winstrol, Anadrol, Anavar are a class 3 controlled substance that is approved for use in the US.
Therefore, it appears to me that according to the ruling you can legally bring personal use quantities (up to 50 units) of drugs on the class 2 through 5 controlled substances list, which obviously includes anabolic steroids that are class 3.

Please let me know if you can see anything wrong in my personal interpretation.

Thanks!


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CN1

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posted March 03, 2001 08:16 PM

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bro look at it reasonably, from the governments point of view, drugs you still cant bring back such as, steroids, blah, blah, so meaning no matter the circumstances there will be no way in hell someone is gonna get to bring a personal use of steroids back. Now I dont want to be the person that finds out, but if someone wants to import a personal amount, lets wait and see how their story goes......until then I think they are gonna slam and ban the steroid users!!!!!!!!!!!!


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TxCollegeguy

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posted March 03, 2001 08:38 PM

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What about painkillers?


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posted March 03, 2001 10:18 PM

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here is the law in a nutshell and <I have first hand experience
you may bring back meds with a perscription of the country of origin for personall use only..which is defined as no more then 3 months..
coming into miami once I was stopped..I had 200 valiums and 150 clomid..when they checked my bags they found the Vs first,,he said whats this..I said to help me sleep, I have a script,,he wanted to see it and then he saw the clomid on the script and said where is it and whats it for..may along story short..He let me go..thank god cause I also had a bunch of dbol and 250 amps they didnt find..


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posted March 03, 2001 10:54 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Tall Dude:
CN1 - Here is the exact wording from the website:

"Please note that this rule applies only to medications that can be legally prescribed in the United States. You still can't bring back drugs or medications not permitted in the United States, such as anabolic steroids, laetrile, or heroin."

Let's try and reason this out. They are probably referring to anabolic steroids that are NOT able to be legally prescribed in the U.S., which includes Dianabol and a few others. Testosterone, Deca, Winstrol, Anadrol, Anavar are a class 3 controlled substance that is approved for use in the US.
Therefore, it appears to me that according to the ruling you can legally bring personal use quantities (up to 50 units) of drugs on the class 2 through 5 controlled substances list, which obviously includes anabolic steroids that are class 3.

Please let me know if you can see anything wrong in my personal interpretation.

Thanks!


I think your reasoning makes sense to me.

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Tall Dude

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posted March 04, 2001 12:54 AM

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Just to be clear:

There has been a NEW federal ruling that effects customs law.
You can now bring back personal use quantities of controlled substances.
This was never the case before.
This is something brand new, so previous experience with bringing back valium is not really relevant.

We still need help from a lawyer to understand this!
Can you hear us? HELP!!!

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t48

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posted March 04, 2001 04:20 AM

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Be careful. Remember, whether a lawyer comments here about it or not, it's still the government's interpretation of their own law. I'm not sure I want to test that at this time at any trial...especially mine.


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posted March 04, 2001 12:14 PM

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TallDude...This "NEW" ruling has been around for months...animal posted about it a long time ago...


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Tall Dude

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posted March 04, 2001 12:55 PM

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I guess I just need to go down to TJ, declare some testosterone upon re-entry, and see if they allow it. Obviously, it would make the most sense to just try it with one ampule to minimize my loss if they take it away.


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posted March 04, 2001 02:03 PM

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I think this law is for the older/low income people who dont have enough money to buy their scripts in the states. A doctor would give the person a perscription and they would go over the border to buy it more cheaply. To make it all legal, the individual would simply show the in states script and declare their personal purchase made across the border(no infractions so far). I imagine that the wording as confusing as it may seem would allow the purchase and transport of AS given the above guidelines ie a docs perscription from the states and no more than a 90 day supply/50 units. One reason though why AS might not be allowed is that it requires an injection for many types to be done in a docs office. I nor do I know anyone who has a script for
testosterone therapy, aside from the androderm patch, do the docs allow individuals to do test shots themselves?


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Tall Dude

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posted March 04, 2001 03:12 PM

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Again, a lot of what everyone is saying is based on the law before this somewhat recent ruling.

In the past, you could bring back prescription drugs from a foreign country into the Unites States for personal use, even without a prescription, except for controlled substances.
From what the customs website appears to now say, you can now bring back personal use quantities (without a US doc's prescription) of ALL controlled substances that can legally be prescribed in the US.
This appears to include products as addictive as morphine, which is scheduled as class 2 (highest legal classification). Anabolic steroid are only class 3, which means they have a lower danger of addition.

Before responsding to this thread, please take a moment to look at the US Customs site.
The link is provided at the top.

Thank you!


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posted March 04, 2001 06:29 PM

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you guys also have to remember that when the gov. interprets the law they must do so in what a reasonable person would interpret it, this is the lawyers job to explain to the judge what is a reasonable interpretation


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Tall Dude

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posted March 05, 2001 09:58 AM

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Bump - Tomo, any word?


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posted March 05, 2001 10:01 AM

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SO customs is not safe at all?

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Tall Dude

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posted March 05, 2001 10:10 AM

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I don't think we know anything yet. I'm thinking about heading down to TJ and declaring one amp of enanthate with the customs officers on the way back in to see what they do. Hopefully, I'll have some time soon to go do it.


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Your amp will be taken and your name and face will be documented-----You may get it over if you have a docs prescrip. from the U.S. with docs name-address-phone#---That is the same with any prescribed drug coming over the border---You will have to show evidence that you are on this med. from a U.S. doctor----Its all up to Customs-----They take it on a case by case basis


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Tall Dude

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posted March 05, 2001 03:27 PM

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You may be right, but I find that hard to believe.
Have you seen that happen lately?
Did you look at the site and what it says about controlled substances for personal use WITHOUT a US doc's prescription? I will take a print out from US Custom's own website to show that I can legally bring back personal use quantities of controlled substances. Why would they hassle me for declaring an item that I honestly believe I am legally allowed to bring back?


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Tall Dude - Sounds like a plan. If you take a print out directly from their own website and declare it, I can't see how they can reasonably consider what you are doing a criminal act. They may confiscate it anyway, though. If you go bro, let us know how it works out.


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I called today but the guy that I needed to speak with was gone. I'll try again tomorrow.


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quote:
Originally posted by Tall Dude:

Please note that this rule applies only to medications that can be legally prescribed in the United States. You still can't bring back drugs or medications not permitted in the United States, such as anabolic steroids, laetrile, or heroin.


Can't bring back juice!!!!


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Tall Dude

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posted March 05, 2001 10:16 PM

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Mr. Wonder,

I know this is a long series of posts, so it is understandable that you missed where we already discussed this point.
Some anabolic steroid ARE able to be legally prescribed in the United States and some are not.
You are taking this statement out of context.
Please re-read all of the posts above and you should see what I'm talking about.

Thanks!


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