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Cool Novice 
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i read recently about daves cycle consisteing of a test of 1000mg for 8 weeks with 400mg of eq followed by another 8 of test a different one and 5 dbol a day followed by another 8 weeks of of a diff test at 1000mg and 300mg eq. so any opinions on this cycle it was said to bring about 35 pounds of lbm. If you had the cash would u try a cycle of six months or would u try to split into 3 8 week cycle with a 4 week break...all experts and mods input here.     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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you mean he does first 8 weeks lets say enanthate with eq then he switches to propionate(ouch @1000 mg a week)with d ball then cypionate with eq and then phenylpropionate with d ball? | ||
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Cool Novice
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the last 8 weeks is with equipoise. ya somethign like that more like first 8 weeks sustanon second 8 enanthate last 8 cypionate. somethign like that with the previous additions of eq, then dbol then equp[oise | ||
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Cool Novice
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It'll still be test, just different esters....why would it make any different wich test u use ? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 42 |
well i think that the different tests do have different reactions to certain people. the esters are different and the rate at which they are in your system differ. i think that using the different esters can shock the body and cause more growth | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Java, I respectfully disagree, the differences in esters will be timing of injections but if done propely all esters will work the same..switching from sust to enth will not shock the body into growth. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Pretty much, about the only thing switching up esters does is cause a different level of estrogenic related effects, which some people mistake to be "Mass." Because Test Cyponiate and Test Enanthate are the same active chemical, PERIOD! Once they hit the receptor, it doesn't matter what ester they had attached to them only seconds ago. | ||
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Cool Novice
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ok so what you are saying meanone is that there is not a benefit to switch the tests that you should run a basic ester like enanthate for 24 weeks adn the only benefit is estrogenic sides...i dont know about that...although the two may be identical as chemicals the rate at which it is dispersed is different...not too mention the reactions that people have to different tests. you cannot tell me that some people do not greater benefits from certain brands and esters of tests. that my friend is more than estrogenic effects. with the quality of some tests to others your body will react differently as well as the difference of esters. i may be wrong but it does not make sense to me what you have said. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1096 |
Java..I can't give as good an explanation as Meanone but what he is saying is correct. Yes, you may respond better to different brands but this comes down to quality brands (ie schering, organon etc) not being underdosed (ie Brovel). Enth and Cyp will give virtually identical gains, sust and prop may seeem to give less weight gain due to lack of water retention..then there is suspension..add arimidex and the esters become even more equal. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 151 |
When you inject test it remains in a depot until the body cleaves off the ester, which then releases it into the blood as test...whether it's prop, enanth, cyp, phenyl, etc. Once in the blood it all has the same half-life, effect, and everything. Different brands are cleaner or more sterile, but they are ALl the same when entering the blood. So switching tests will not shock the body. Also as mentioned above some tests are underdosed so their effects may be lesser then taking a compound that is not underdosed. | ||
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Freak 
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Forgive me ignorance but who is Dave Palumbo? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Java, time to take you to school son... Let's name the top 5 types of Test and ester's, in the order of the length from shorttest to longest. Not then, having that, why do all of these drugs seem to show different sides? Well it has to do with the rate at which the drug is released and how much can be used before becoming a different hormone, or simply broken down. Suspension has no ester attached. Once you inject it, it will peak in under 2 hours. However, this sudden spike of 100mgs of testosterone will not be able to be used by the body that quickly, so more of it will become other hormones, than let's say if the test was made avaliable at a slower rate. This is why Suspension will ALWAYS net more water retention than Deconate. Now then, Propinate is a good ester in my opinion. When used in the proper dosage scheme, it will yeild most of the benefits of test, with very little water retention. Why is this? Most people only inject 100mgs every other day, or 150mgs every third day. In the drugs approximate three day half life, it is only releasing 100mgs of the hormone which could convert into other hormones, which cause water retention. Enanthate is said to last up to 10 days in the system, but studies have proven that after day 5, blood levels of the hormone rapidly fall off. So why does Enanthate cuase more water retention than let's say, propinate if it has a longer ester? Dosage related. Most people here will use 500-100mgs of Enanthate a week, and that's conservative. So instead of asking your body to deal with 100mgs in 3 days, you asking it to deal with 500+mgs in 6 days....can you see how it's out of proportion? Cyponiate, often considered to yeild higher quality gains than Enanthate. This is very debatable, but the reason is once again, the drugs half life. It is 2-5 days longer than enanthate's, therefore your releasing the drug at a slower rate, therefore less is converted, therefore, less estrogenic related sides. Are you picking up on this??? Now then, the other issue is ester chain weight or length. The longer acting ester cyponiate, Deconate, are longer acting because they are longer than let's say propinate. Because they are longer, it take the body more time to break them off of the hormone. HOWEVER, also because they are longer, the actual dosage MG per MG of lets say suspension to enanthate is much lower, but you must account for the ester weight. Yet another reason, tests with ester cause less estrogenic related sides. The differences between people is not a fair example. First, no two people are going to metabolize food the same way, so in that case, comparing their results is automaticly laughable at best. However, let me ask you this. If we all responded to hormones and chemicals SO RADICALLY DIFFERENT, how would doctors be able to prescibe meds, or perform surgery's? Being that we are all different, no one set of guidelines would work...right? WRONG! We will all respond to chemicals in a similar manner. The only real difference in how different esters react with you, is your personal ability to deal with large scale hormone increases or not. This can be determained by enzymatic differences, receptor population, affinity, and daily salt and water intake. If you have more questions, just ask, I will be more than glad to help you further understand this... However, don't ever tell me that you theories founded in no scientific evidence are correct, over my DOCUMENTED FACTS! If you are curious, pick up a few books on hormonal therapy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
Yer, but who is Dave Palumbo? | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2194 |
MeanOne answer my q damnit  j/k could you shoot me an e-mail please | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Sent from the AOL addy just too piss people off in general, lol. Not you IRON GAME, just the general... | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2194 |
hehe YOU PISSED ME OFF AOL SUCKS you got mail buddy | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 42 |
meanone...im not trying to disprove theories and i do see how that what said is true...i dont claim to know everything so i was just stating a thought or perspective. like i said in the last part of the response "i can be wrong" so dont take it so personal.in btw dave palumbo is pretty knowledgeable guy about roids and is one big mofo. he has a pay website not sure of the address. anyhow meanone do u think that using a test for 24 weeks would be a waste and i should split the cycle into 3 8 week cycles with a 4 week break ..no one answered my question totally please go back and read it thoroughly | ||
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Thanks MeanOne... Good information. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
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Dave Palumbo- Pro? Bodybuilder.  ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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I live on Long Island NY and he comes in my McDonalds and orders his 15 cheeseburgers ketchup only....he is big but not as big as I thought... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Java, what is it you don't understand? besides, go with 3 8 weekers, that's my thought. | ||
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If you wanna see his cycle, go here: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/palumbo/vol03/000124.htm ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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15 cheesburgers??? Yes, I saw him and took him a pic. Take a look: ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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Thanks he is pretty big and defined ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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To get results like that man, it's all about the McDonald's...LMAO |
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posted March 02, 2001 05:36 PM
