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 Goodbye Cute Cudley Calvin Klein, Hello Bloated Brontosaurus!
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Ok, Remember that pics I posted saying I was a weee bit bloated? Well forget it! That wasn't bloat. THIS is bloat!!! Any ideas? I'm already on the anti thises and anti thats. [This message has been edited by Asia the Invincible (edited March 02, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Asia the Invincible (edited March 03, 2001).]    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
BUMP!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 94 |
Can you get some amiridex? That should help. On the good side your abs are still kinda showing.  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
I AM on Arimidex. | ||
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Moderator 
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From what I remember,you were running a healthy amount of P/R antagonists on your cycle,you might want to bump that winny dosage up,as with the use of arimidex,I doubt your edema is via the estrogenic route...Just my.02... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
HUCK. I'm on all the anti this and that's for estrogenic and progestrogenic effects. I just don't want to post the names of the substances for my own reasons that is why I edited the post. The anti-P, mentioning no names (you should know what it is), is at 75mg per day. Will Cardio help? What about diuretics? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
Oh by the way huck I stopped the winny. I added the other stuff (real anti-P). Animal convinced me that the winny shouldn't be there. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 121 |
Uh I think your going to POP!! | ||
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Moderator
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Okay,well if you're already running ample amounts of anti-E's and P's,then diuretics will help flush you out,but watch your electrolite balance...Glycerol will help as well,as it has plasma expanding properties.It will draw sub-Q water out of the skin,and pull it in to the blood stream where it can be eliminated... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 629 |
get a needle and pop your self. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
Huck, If I take Diuretics how would I manage my electrolytes and minerals? I'm thinking about a lasix a day with some sloK. As for the glycerol, the only ones here are anal supositories for people who can't take a dump. My friend and I tried eating them before a show and it didn't do anything. Maybe can't be absorbed in solid form. We tried but couldn't melt them. Also, you didn't tell me if Cardio will help. As for diet, can anything help? I am already only eating carbs after I train. Should I go on a complete Ketogenic diet? Actually how bad is this? Does it look like the kinda bloat that will completely subside after a while? Or when cycle is over? Oh yes,, and WHAT'S ALL THIS POPING STUFF? [This message has been edited by Asia the Invincible (edited March 02, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Asia the Invincible (edited March 02, 2001).] | ||
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Moderator
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Ignore the inane comments...This "moon-face" look is very common during cycles,and will go away when you come off...Cardio will help,as will drinking a TON of water.If your cells are overloaded with water,they will not feel the need to hold on to it as much,and will eliminate it in the process...Be very aware of your salt/carb intake,as both will influence fluid storage...If you decide to go with diuretics,make sure you are taking supplemental pottasium... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
How much potassiun should I take if I take 40mg lasix a day? One SloK ok? I will do cardio etc. etc. and the other things you say, but I can't keep losing all these acting gigs because of my damn face! I have had this many times before but it was before I got in this line of work. Oh, and the RU ... you know what. Can that be taken and I still take diuretics? Because I read the pamphlet and it is Chinese, so I can't read it 100%. But it says for girls who are less than 49 days pregnant to take 25 mg twice a day, and on the third day's morning, to take a duiretic to complete the abort or something like that. Now this has me scared because I just took the lasix! Anyways, do you have ICQ? You seem to be the only person giving real help anyway. Might as well do it off board. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
According to my experence Asia, Ru-486 exerts its anti-progetsenic effects at 200mg every 3 days, so take 50mg per day. I will say this again for good measure: WINSTROL DOES NOTHING FOR PROGESTERONE BLOCKAGE DAMMIT!!!!! YOU JUST THINK IT DOES BECAUSE IT REDUCES FLUID RETENTION. Huck should be able to explain the lasix angle, since I don't know much about lasix since I don't take it. The RU should do the trick. You were running 2 prog-inducing steroids: Deca and anadrol after all. Definately can't be estrogen since you're doing arimidex. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 315 |
DUDE. I'VE PUT ON 25 LBS. IN TWO WEEKS. I FEEL YOUR PAIN, BROTHER. I WEIGHED IN AT 250 LAST NIGHT, AND I KNOW FIFTEEN POUNDS OF IT IS H20. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
FONZ, But if winstrol reduces fluid retention, then that's great!!! Who cares if it's because of progesterone or not. I just need to get rid of this darn fluid retention! And as for the R.. thingy already 75mg ED now. BY the way guys, some guys tell me it's not fat because my abs are still showing like that. that I'm like generally bloated. But I don't know as I AM eating more carbs than before. So tell me, what is that stuff on me???!! [This message has been edited by Asia the Invincible (edited March 02, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1349 |
Dammed!! You are one jacked Asian. I am Asian also and wish I were that bloated during my cycle. I did have a moon face that finally went away. My whole head looks too small for my body, now that I got used to a moonface!! How many cycles do you have under you. I think you look great. I still see abs. Also I am assuming you were never really a skinny kid??? YOu have to be a mesomorph. I unfortunatly am a ectomorph and it takes alot to gain. Test doesn't bloat me that bad, I wish it did. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
dahmer thanks for the compliments. why do you want to be bloated?? I can see a little bloat lubricating the joint but why you actually want to be a bloated pig or something? I don't understand. I mean, to be big and hard is one thing. But to retain water doesn't really help in my opinion. Anyway I never was a skinny kid but I had no muscle before. I am basically an endomorph. I was real fat kid. And weak. I was fat but under 100 pounds when I started bodybuilding. I guess I do put on muscle easily once I train etc. etc. but its not like I started out with a lot. | ||
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Novice 
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What is your diet like?? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
I eat no carbs except after my workout. I eat high fat and protein other times. I stick to this very very strictly. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 315 |
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quote: OKAY BROS. I'VE READ TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM OUR MOST KNOWLEDGABLE MODS AND VETS THAT WINNY IS AN ANTI-P. CAN SOMEONE POST A STUDY OR A LINK TO ONE THAT REFUTES THIS VERY WIDESPREAD BELIEF? ------------------ [This message has been edited by Big Johnson (edited March 02, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Big Johnson (edited March 02, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
You follow the anabolic diet right? So, water retention should be minimal. Run the winny then, since you want to retain less luid. Increase the RU to 100mg ED for 4 days(no more than this). Then, set carbs at 100g or less for those 4 days. You should get noticeably leaner/less fluid retained. Also, drop sodium intake to a maximum of 1g/day. Hope this helps. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
What do you mean no more than 4 days? I plan to take it for the whole darn cycle. Is this wrong? I have enough for about 30 days at 75mg I dun know if I can get more. Also, you say since I'm on that diet it should be minimal water retention but it doesn't look minimal to me! [This message has been edited by Asia the Invincible (edited March 02, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
I never took 200mg every 2 days, for more than 4 days. I slipped down to 200mg every 3 days because the RU gave me bad muscle cramps/twitches. I have to say its got to be the test. You don't see bloated sprinters do you? Get rid of the test if looks are important to you. I would concentrate on anabolics, if you're a model. It's that simple. I do track, I don't exactly want to be bloated, because I'd lose a lot of speed. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 483 |
I think you look good. Definitely intimidating. The bloat will go away after the cycle. If you're really worried about ridding of it now, then upping your arimidex dosage as well as your nolva/pro/clomid should do you good. They sell an herbal diuretic at GNC also that actually works fairly well. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
If I am reading this right, this is a bulking diet, right? You may be bloated, but i've seen far worse. This is typical when bulking. I wouldn't even worry about the bloat until you decide to diet/lean-up. Besides, it will help with keeping joint pain down to some degree. Really man, you don't look that bad at all. It's probably just shock since you may not have ever seen yourself like this before. You don't appear to really be fat. I'd rather be bloated on a bulking cycle than be fat anyday. MR. BMJ "THE INTIMIDATOR" | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 811 |
HICK is a good man with good info to give.....and bro dont show your face on a board.cover your face in the pics if you can..just my .02....later ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1397 |
I think you look pretty good. The bloat isn't that bad. I think you may have mild gyno happening though It may be water or fat though it's hard to tell by the photo. Not trying to put you down though. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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FONZ-You need to go back to the research books again,because once more,you are dead wrong...WINSTROL HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BIND AGGRESSIVELY TO THE P/R IN MANY STUDIES,YET IT IS NOT PROGESTOGENIC...THEREFORE,IF IT'S OCCUPYING P/R'S,BUT NOT ACTIVATING THEM,WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU THINK IT'S DOING?IT'S PREVENTING PROGESTIN'S FROM BINDING TO AND ACTIVATING THEM("BLOCKING THEM")...PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON THINGS AS FACT WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS QUITE A LOT LATELY... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Asia the Invincible, what brand anadrol are/were you taking?? you never answered me when i asked, thanks -MIKE001-.. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 540 |
winny works from personal exp with anadrol induced gyno while on 300mg a day of it. Asia- you look fine!! Welcome to the world of androgens!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
Huck, stanozolol is a very weak progesterone blocker at best IF YOU LOOK AT THE STUDIES DAMMIT!!!! so don't tell me to go research. And what's this about being wrong all the time? Man, I say deca is great and the whole board comes down on me. LOL now I know how 2Thick feels. Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
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I HAVE LOOKED AT SEVERAL STUDIES,THAT'S WHY I'M CORRECTING YOU FOR MAKING STATEMENTS THAT ARE NOT CORRECT...As far as the deca thing,although your statements were off there as well,I appreciate what you're doing and your enthusiasm behind it.So,although I may give you a hard time now and then,don't get discouraged,because you know that I appreciate guys like yourself that are willing to step out on a limb,and have the intelligence to explore new frontiers...Meanone fits this mold as well,and I've got nothing but love for the both of ya,haha... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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LOL Huck, MeanOne's going to go ballistic!! Hehe... I love pushing my limits...... Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
I know its fine to be bloated if you're a bodybuilder but I have retired from bodybuilding and my acting career is just starting to take off. I ain't Andy Lau so I have to be big to have anything special and they use me for freak appeal but they demand me to have a tight face. The bidy is fine just the face,. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
Asia my advice is: GET RID OF THE ANDROGENS!!!! You will grow slower, but at least you won't look like the michelin man. Life's about priorities. F*ck feeling strong and powerful if you're going to lose your job!!! Asia, just stack all the anabolics together , which is what I'm going to do: example: Deca at 600-1000mg/week Primobolan Depot at 600mg/week winstrol at 100mgED Fina at 75mg ED Trust me, YOU WILLGROW OF THIS!! JUST A BIT SLOWER THAN IF YOU TOOK ANDROGENS. Godspeed I can feel the flames coming.....LOL | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I don't want to really "bloated" I just don't think you look really bloated. YOu still see definition, and it looks good. During my 6th week I had a really big face, but my body wasn't that large. My friends all were shocked but I wasn't that impressed. Like I said, only now do I realize how big my face was. Even when I was smooth and held water I was hard. I never am soft while on. By the way, if you have time e-mail me. I would like to talk with you. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I think this is a great post. I get dbol face when i take dbol. But damn maybe I should give the winny a try. Asia, let us know how your results are in the near future. Good luck with the bloats and look on the bright side., if you fall in the ocean it would be hard to drown because your face would keep you afloat. =) ------------------ MustangRacer27 | ||
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Moderator
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Asia-Fonz's latest advice was the best,with the exception of the deca,which will certainly bloat you up.I can't tell you how many times I watched my cheekbones disappear on that stuff,lol...Stick with low/non-aromitizing/non-progestogenic anabolics such as winstrol,primobolan,oxandrolone,and equipoise...These ones rarely lead to any fluid retention in the face,and still will give nice quality gains when used in ample amounts... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
I'm not giving up the androgens. There'll have to be another way. Sorry to be a stubborn SOB. Anyway I can't get all that anabolic stuff anyway. | ||
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Moderator
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Test + arimidex = Okay...Stay away from the P/R acivators if you have any modeling/acting gigs coming up... |
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posted March 02, 2001 12:05 PM
