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harpoon

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posted March 02, 2001 11:48 AM

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ok..here's two arguments..one for sust and one for enanthate...i've been trying to decide the better of the two for a whiiiile.. what do you guys think?

"Sustanon is a very popular steroid which is highly appreciated by its users since it offers several advantages when compared to other testosterone compounds. Sustanon is a mixture of four different testosterones which, based on the well-timed composition, have a synergetic effect. This special feature has two positive characteristics for the athlete. First, based on the special combination effect of the compounds, Sustanon, milligram for milligram, has a better effect than Testosterone enanthate, cypionate, and propionate alone.Second, the effect of the four testosterones is time-released so that Sustanon goes rapidly into the sytem and remains effective in the body for several weeks. Due to the propionate also included in the steroid, Sustanon is effective after one day and, based on the mixed-in decanoates, remains active for 3-4 weeks. Sustanon has a distinct androgenic effect which is coupled with a strong anabolic effect. Therefore it is well suited to build up strength and mass. A rapid increase in body strength and an even increase in body weight occur. Athletes who use Sustanon report a solid muscle growth since it results in less water retention and also aromatizes less than either testosterone enanthate or cypionate. Indeed many bodybuilders who use testosterone and fight against distinct water retention and an elevated estrogen level prefer Sustanon over other long-acting depot testosterones."
-SLOPAIN


"Slopain, I respect much of what you have to say on this board, and I have taken much of what you say very seriously. You're one of the few bros on this board that really know their shit.But, I do have some problems with that quote you gave concerning Sustanon.First, it uses the word "synergetic" for the effect of the testosterone blend. I cannot see how this applies. Synergy is defined as "working together", as in different people or things working together for a better result or effect. ECA is a good example of that. Each component of the stack is good on its own, but the combination, in the right quantities produces an effect that is greater than the whole. Sustanon is made as a blend that, when the esters break off, the testosterone is made available to the body at different time intervals. Hence, the name of the drug comes from "sustain". Therefore, the esters really do not work "together", as they are used by the body at different times. If it does have a synergistic effect, it does not say how.Enanthate is known to break off from testosterone in the body after a peroid of about 10-14 days. If one injects enanthate twice or three times a week, the blood levels of testosterone will be relatively consistent, and then drop off slowly for the three weeks after the last injection. This sounds much like the mechanism behind Sustanon, right?Second, the quote you gave also gave some information about the androgenic and anabolic qualities of Sustanon. That also directly applies to the enanthate, since it's the testosterone, plain and simple, that is the cause of the androgenic and anabolic qualities. The esters play no role in that part. Once the ester is removed, it is inert.500 mg Sustanon will have slightly more testosterone in it than enanthate. Why? This is due to the size of the esters. Enanthate is one of the longer ones, where the Sustanon has some short ones in it to make it faster acting. The shorter ones weigh less, there for the ratio of testosterone to ester is larger in Sustanon. This would be the only case where the enanthate would be slightly less effective, but I don't feel that it is significant.If you only want to inject Sustanon every three to four weeks, go for it. That's it's intended purpose. But, for the bros here that want to pack on some serious size, that ain't going to cut it. We need more testosterone, and we want it now. Therefore, we inject more testosterone, and we inject it more often. This defeats the purpose of the Sustanon blend.This is direct from the "All Testosterones are Created Equal" article right here on the Elite Fitness site:
Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better."

confusing? i dont really think its comparing apples and oranges....this has to be looked into with depth.. i think i'm with slopain, however i've never used sust and have had satisfactory gains on enanthate.
feedback bros

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ultragainz

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posted March 02, 2001 11:51 AM

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sus and eath mix would be great but sus well give you less water over all its enath which is better in gainz.but sus is still great.later

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ultragainz

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posted March 02, 2001 11:52 AM

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but bro if you taking theramx250(enath) that is the BEST..later

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harpoon

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posted March 02, 2001 11:55 AM

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ultragainz you have mail

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GymRatSD

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posted March 02, 2001 12:22 PM

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Wow... you certain dug into the archives for that one! The second quote is from ME!!

How about that? Slopain and I butting heads!

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Adonis

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posted March 02, 2001 12:44 PM

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I have always liked the four blends of esters, have always made good gains while keeping water retention down.
i have also recently done a cycle with Cyp. got good results but didnt like it as much as the sust cycles.
All in all, I think what ever you can afford and what ever is available your going to use.
During the winter, I dont care if I retain some water, or get that puffy look, mainly because no one is going to see it, but in the summer, when cloths tend to come off more, Im going to use something that helps me retain muscle and deeper cuts than something thats gonna make me look like a bloated toad.


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plifter

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posted March 02, 2001 12:51 PM

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I like sus the best. I did some Durateston from Organon and it blasted my lifts through the roof and I kept most of it when my cycle was over.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 02, 2001 01:26 PM

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GymRats you got a moment for me to pick your brain?


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GymRatSD

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posted March 02, 2001 02:01 PM

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Iron Game, what would like to discuss?

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Slopain

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posted March 02, 2001 02:05 PM

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Ok this was before the widespread availability of aratest. I was strongly behind sustanons (and clones although I dont think there were many at the time), but once I started using over a gram two things happened: #1 Propiniate pain started to become a real issue. and #2 The price isnt close to economical. Since then there have been releases of different tests. I have swayed to the enanthate side, and quite frankly have seen no difference other than more oney in my pocket and less soreness in my ass and quads.

Thats a blast from the past.

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posted March 02, 2001 02:09 PM

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The original thread: https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/08-2000/027327.html

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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 02, 2001 02:11 PM

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The poor receptor binding ability of oxymetholone compared to that of deca. Will start another thread



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harpoon

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posted March 03, 2001 12:29 AM

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gymrat..that was you bro....my dumbass forgot to put your name at the bottom... no one ever accused me of having a good memory

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MeanOne

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posted March 03, 2001 01:00 AM

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Well, from EXPERIENCE, the better product was high quality enanthate (forget that T200 crap). Also, Enathate is able to be included in shorter cycles.

Sustanon is for the long cycler. It was designed for homrone replacement therapy, therefore only one monthly shot would be needed. However, for the bodybuilder, this can present a problem.

Let's say you victom of GYNO. You have some Nolvadex on hand. You stop using Sustanon, and begin using the Nolvadex. With the Deconate in your system for 3-4 weeks, that's a hell of a lot of "Emergency" Nolvadex to have on hand.

Generally speaking, short acting compounds promote great strength and mass increases than their long acting counterparts, provided that blood levels remain somewhat steady. Compare Suspension to Enanthate. The mass gains are definately noticable. Compare high dose Propinate to Cyponiate. If you were to do 300mgs of Propinate every other day, I think the gains would be much better than 750mgs of enanthate a week. However, that's opinion, not fact.

From my wallets stand piont, Enanthate is king.

From my asses standpiont, it's a toss up. Unless you get the 250mg/mL Ampules of enanthate, which I plan on getting A TON OF, the potency per mL is lower overall. Hence forth, with sustanon, less CC's per week need to be injected. Also, the frequency of injections is lower as well.

I take my Enanthate every 6 days, love it. Sustaon could easily be spread out to every 10 days. Your choice. As far as water is concerned, I have seen MANY bloated people from Sustanon, MANY! Using Nolvadex throughout the cycle will help this tremendously, so the question now becomes, do you mind paying a little more for less frequent injections, or paying a little less, but having to inject more often? In that, I think you will find the true question that you have to ask yourself when designing a cycle.


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2Thick

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posted March 03, 2001 01:24 AM

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Okay, in the end there is no significant difference between the two.

It is like deciding between chicken and steak for dinner. They both have protein and will be nutritious. The details only matter to a very small percentage of users.


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