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Dr.Cherkoff

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posted March 02, 2001 11:32 AM

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hi guys. I am 6'2, 215 about 15-20%? BF.Been lifting for 5 years.First time being "pharmaceutically enhanced":~) This is what i want to do: put on more size/and get shredded.I know you guys mean well, BUT i don't want to do Sustenon/Test or anything harsh like that.
I want to do EQ
WEEK 1- 500mg
week 2-12-400mg andPrimo 100mg/10days


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ultragainz

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posted March 02, 2001 11:49 AM

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bro is this your first cycle?if yes you dont need 500mgs of eq all you need is 300mgs and eq for 10 weeks and primo for 12.....and bro test is not bad there has been studies saying 600mgs of test is safe...and when useing 600mgs of test for 10 weeks is great...and eat train and rest GOOD....do that for sure.....ok bro.....and sus in your first cycle about 1cc=250mgs of sus would be great..you wont be needing 500mgs of sus if you use it and if you can take 500mgs for 4 weeks then 250...but tapering sus is not needed..for the first cycle i would only take 250mgs of sus....later

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Dr.Cherkoff

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posted March 02, 2001 01:07 PM

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hi thanks for the reply.
yes it is my first cycle. i chose the 500mg first because if i had say 2 bottles of eq at 50mg/ml that would last the 12 weeks.
I just don't need the problems with tests - hairloss(i am prone to),gyno, pp troubles,water retention, acne,aggression? and the clomid/nolvadex.
Why should i stop at 10 and not 12?
how long to see/what kind of results from my cycle?
Thanks for the help


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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 02, 2001 01:23 PM

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I am not a vet but it looks good, maybe worth while to use 500mgs the first week. Try 200mgs of primo/wk rather than 100mgs/10 days. It would be much more beneificial.

Peace


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Dr.Cherkoff

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posted March 02, 2001 05:29 PM

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thanks for the replies guys.
anyone else have anything to add
if i took some T3 for 4-6 weeks, when should i use it - the first or last 6 weeks?
Thanks


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MUSTANG_18

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posted March 02, 2001 05:38 PM

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HEY BRO! IT IS VERY HARD TO PUT ON SIZE AND GET RIPPED AT THE SAME TIME. I WOULD UP THE DOSE OF PRIMO TO AT LEAST 300MG/WEEK FOR A MIN OF 8 WEEKS. I THINK THE EQ LOOKS GOOD THOUGH. TEST IS NOT ALL THAT BAD THOUGH. I AM ON EQ AND SUST RIGHT NOW AND D-BOL FOR THE FIRST 4 WEEKS AND THE ONLY SIDES I HAVE HAD ARE VERY LITTLE ACNE INCREASE. FOR HAIR LOSS YOU COULD TAKE SOME SAW PALMETTO, I STARTED TO TAKE IT AND HAVE NOT LOST ANY HAIR AT ALL. GYNO AND WATER RETENTION CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF BY USING NOLVA OR ARIMIDEX AND I HAVE NOT NOTICED ANY INCREASED AGGRESSION ON MY CYCLE BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. FOR THE ACNE YOU COULD WASH WITH ANTI-BACTERIAL SOAP, TAN, GO TO THE STEAM ROOM AND USE PANTHOENIC ACID(B-5). DIET IS KEY TO GETING THE GAINS YOU WANT SO MAKE SURE SURE HAVE A GOOD DIET. HOPE THIS HELPS A LITTLE, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU CAN MAIL ME ANY TIME. GOOD LUCK

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lawnsaver

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posted March 02, 2001 10:17 PM

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Front loading eq is not worth it. It works slow. A long constant dose, 10 to 12 weeks is awsome. Slow, even, constant gain. 300mg to 400 is perfect. 300mg if you are stacking with primo. 100mg of primo every 10 days is not really productive. I wouldnt waste the money. I would just up the eq dose 100mg every week.

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Dr.Cherkoff

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posted March 02, 2001 10:32 PM

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hey lawnsaver thanks for the reply.
what does "front loading mean"?
thanks guys
any advice for my T3 question


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DCS

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posted March 02, 2001 10:37 PM

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I think EQ is harsher than testosterone. It is used for horses mostly. It can make you feel sick.


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ultragainz

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eq is not harder then test...who cares what animals use it...and the only reason you might get roid fever is cuz its a vet roid and that dose not mean notthing......later

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WC

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posted March 02, 2001 10:49 PM

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animals use test as well. Anyhow- I would up tht primo depot to at least 400/wk.


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lawnsaver

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quote:
Originally posted by WC:
animals use test as well. Anyhow- I would up tht primo depot to at least 400/wk.


Well if he was going to use 100mg every 10 days, do you think he has any thoughts of 400mg a week?? The eq is his back bone. As for harness, eq is one of the best, with the least amount of sides. If its good for million dollar horses, then its good enough for me!

Eq at 300 to 400mg per week for 10 weeks will be great. Primo at your dose will do next to nothing.

I am a firm believer of starting slow in relation the the number of steriods you use. Leave yourself room to grow. Moderation diet and dedication are your keys to success.

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Dr.Cherkoff

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posted March 03, 2001 10:52 AM

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thanks guys,
any thoughts on my T3 question.
when do i bring it in? the first 6 weeks or the last 6?
is it good to do bi/tri injections with the eq - if so how much at each site, needle size and how is it done? do i flex the bi's hard, and on what side of that vein that runs down the middle of the bi?


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The_Iron_Game

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posted March 03, 2001 10:57 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by lawnsaver:
Front loading eq is not worth it

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using 500mgs of eq in the first week. It will help keep peak levels of eq longer. Just because a drug has a longer half life it does not mean it doenst get into the system earlier on.

Anything with a half life of 7-10 days can be front loaded with positive benefits.

Peace


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Your_Moms_Kneepads

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posted March 03, 2001 10:59 AM

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Get more primo. Take at least 200mg/wk. YOu could also Do the EQ like you are doing and then split the cycle startingwith Primobolan for a few weeks and then switching to winnie (if its more affordable).

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Dr.Cherkoff

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posted March 03, 2001 11:08 AM

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hi guys.
the reason i wanted to do the 500mg in the first week or 2 was because if i had 2 50mg/ml bottles, the amounts to use the 2 bottles completely would be 500mg first week or 2 then 400mg /week till i reach week 12. that would empty the 2 bottles at week 12. RIGHT?
i also read an article by Dan Duchaine once that said you should hit the receptors hard in the first week or 2 and that will shock the hell out of your body and it will start growing big time.
any thoughts on this guys


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