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INSANE 1

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posted February 28, 2001 07:09 PM

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I AM ABOU TO START MY END OF CYCLE CLOMID. MOST OF YOU GUYS SAY TO TAKE 300 MG ON THE FIRST DAY. DO YOU TAKE IT ALL AT ONCE OR THROUGHOUT THE DAY?


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T Bone

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posted February 28, 2001 07:12 PM

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"most of us guys?"

I've never heard anyone say that. Take 100mg every day for two weeks. You can take both tabs at the same time or am and pm if you like.

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panerai

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posted February 28, 2001 07:28 PM

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I'm one of the "most". Spread it out through the day evenly,don't take it all at once.
And after that day take only 50mg/day.


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Badkins21

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posted February 28, 2001 07:39 PM

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T-Bone (great name!), Crazy1's referring to the "Clomid Therapy" post by HUCK that explains the proper (in his--and most of our--minds)...

This is due to half-life of the drug and how it works in your body...

Day 1=300 mg (spread out in my opinion, but don't know if it matters)
Day 2-7=100 mg
Day 8-14=50 mg

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DREXX

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posted February 28, 2001 07:48 PM

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I recommend taking 300mg of Clomid on day 1 all in one dose.

Then take 50mg per day every morning for 2 to 4 weeks depending on how long your cycle was.

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panerai

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posted February 28, 2001 07:55 PM

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Drexx,I don't know if you took 300mg at once,but I know people who did,and they got really strange sensations.I don't think,it's a good idea.


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DREXX

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posted February 28, 2001 08:03 PM

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panerai: Yes I have done it before. If I didn't I wouldn't recommend it

I have done both the 50mg 6 times per day and the 300mg in the morning and didn't feel any different.

The goal is to get clomid levels to an effective level ASAP so I figure why take all day to get there when it can be done in one shot.

What happened to your friends?

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panerai

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posted February 28, 2001 08:15 PM

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Hot flashes,dizziness,sleepness,overall uncomfortable feeling.Two guys I know personally who took it this way and both had same symptoms.
I used it the same way,but cuz I learned on their experience,I took 2pills in the morning,2 afternoon and 2 at night.And I felt just fine.
I guess,it has to do with our tolerance of Clomid.Some guys can't even take one tab-poor things.But that is extremely rare!


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DREXX

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posted February 28, 2001 08:30 PM

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Strange!

I didn't feel anything at all!

Is my clomid real? Can I drink winny? Is it ok to inject in my o-ring?

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LanceMontana

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posted February 28, 2001 08:43 PM

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Taking 300mg in divided doses on day one definately makes a diffrence! I've tried taking 50mg a day starting on the first day, and i've tried the loading up on 300mg...The loading works way better. I'm currently taking 500i.u. a day of hcg (while on my cycle)and plan to follow up with clomid loading. LM


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ultragainz

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posted February 28, 2001 08:52 PM

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i never took 300mgs...only 100mgs ed or eod.....later

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T Bone

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posted February 28, 2001 10:10 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Badkins21:
T-Bone (great name!), Crazy1's referring to the "Clomid Therapy" post by HUCK that explains the proper (in his--and most of our--minds)...

This is due to half-life of the drug and how it works in your body...

Day 1=300 mg (spread out in my opinion, but don't know if it matters)
Day 2-7=100 mg
Day 8-14=50 mg


AAAHHHH! I see. I missed that one. I haven't been around much lately. Interesting. I'll read that post. Thanks guys!

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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted February 28, 2001 10:13 PM

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Here it is bro,I'll save you the trouble of trying to locate it,lol...

Testosterone production begins at the hypothalamus,which scans blood levels of estrogens,androgens and other pertinent hormones.In a presence of low androgens and estrogens the hypothalamus will produce leutenizing-hormone-releasing-hormone(LHRH)which in turn stimulates the pituitary to produce leutenizing hormone(LH).LH then signals the leydig cells in the testicles to begin producing testosterone.Hence the Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis(more commonly referred to as H-P-T-A),as production is ran in that particular order.Now on to the clomid...

Clomid is a selective estrogen receptor modulator(much like nolvadex,only their binding capacities are more aggressive in seperate areas).Clomid stimulates L-H-R-H/LH production by binding to ESTROGEN receptors on the hypothalamus and pituitary,thus giving the illusion of a low presence of circulating estrogen.Note the key word here-ESTROGEN.CLOMID DOES NOT BIND ANDROGEN.Therefore,on a cycle of moderate to high amounts of ANDROGENS,clomid will have no effect whatsoever on endogenous testosterone production,as we are in a state of ANDROGENIC inhibition.It's post cycle,when blood levels of androgens begin to normalize and the typical estrogenic rebound/lag occurs,that clomid is able to re-initialize this process of testosterone production.Hope this clears up how clomid works and why to save it for post cycle,unless you're using it as an anti-estrogen...

How do we know when to administer clomid therapy,and how much should we use to get the desired effects?First you have to figure out the activity life/clearance time of your particular ester.They don't have to be completely cleared from your system,just enough that androgen levels are within normal to high normal ranges.For instance sust's longest acting and most potent ester,the undecanoate ester clears your system in roughly 3-4 weeks.So beginning clomid therapy 3 weeks after your last injection would be ideal.This is the pattern I would run my clomid in...

Day 1)300mgs...2 tabs every 4 hours or so.This will drive up blood levels of the drug for an immediate "therapeutic" response(one that would normally take many consecutive days of usage to be reached)and get the drug working aggressively towards re-initializing endogenous hormonal production.

Days 2-11)100mgs/day(bothtabs can be taken together now,as it's half life is so long it will make no difference...

Days 12-21)50mgs/day...

Day 22)DONE!



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T Bone

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posted February 28, 2001 10:35 PM

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Thanks Huck! Good Stuff.

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samiam

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posted February 28, 2001 10:44 PM

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Huck,

If you're taking 50 mg eod throughout, do you need to do the usual 100 mg for the first week...or 300 mg the first day? I was thinking of just taking 50 mg ed for 3 weeks, one week after my last shot.

What do you think?


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted February 28, 2001 10:54 PM

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The idea behind this initial surge is to completely block estrogen's signal off at the hypothalamus and pituitary.Post cycle is where this is MOST crucial,as you now have a low circulating androgen level,with a stubborn estrogenic lag...The 300mgs on day one will still be very useful indeed to drive"readable"levels of estrogen away from those glands.After that,you could possibly get away with 50mgs/day as you suggested...


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