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 500 compared to 250 of sust..is there really that much difference?
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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my buddy has decided to start his first cycle soon. i came up with a plan for him to use 500 for 8 weeks and 250 for week 9. now its coming down to it and hes getting all nervous about taking 500 and is talking about just using 250 instead. even wants me to fix him and stuff for who knows why. its gonna be dbol and winny later on to. i know that different peoples bodies react differently to types of sauce. almost everyone i have talked to at the gym has said naw screw that just do 500. is there really going to be that much of an overwhelming difference if he decides to 250 instead of 500? mind you this is a firts cycle and we have been training for about 2 yrs.     | ||
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Mutant   
Posts: 3283 |
Yes, take 500mg/week and don't drop down to 250 for the final week. Sust is self tapering...Dbol would be a nice addition for th efirst 4-5 weeks. | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1782 |
thermo, from everything I've read, and everything I've heard, GO WITH 500! Any amount of exogenous test will shut down your natural production...250 mg/week is not enough to "make up" and "overcompensate" for this shutdown...There will be no more sides (theoretically speaking) but much more gains... If you're gonna go, go hard! Back me up guys... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 685 |
500 mg BUMP! Mass Monster | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 12 |
There is no different in side effects from 250 mg than 500mg. However 500mg will be much more effective at building muscle. And as Thick Dog says, sust is self tapering so stick with the same dosage str8 thru. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6867 |
Have him use 250mg per week. It is not the dosage that will make you grow. It is the training and diet. You will just be wasting your money and irritating your prostate with higher dosages. If he is not happy with this cycle then use 500 the next time. He has nothing to lose by going lower. What does it matter if he gains 15 pounds now and 15 pounds later (3 months) instead of being impatient and using more and gaining 20 pounds now? It is illogical. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 910 |
yea i added dbol week one thru six to kick start the test. then week six thru 12 added winny to harden up some. everything is a go on those dosages. its just down to going with either 500 or 250 of nile. i wanted to add deca for 1 thru 8 also but he is needle wiery and wants to keep the fixings down to a minimum so that was a no go. first cycle and he already is freaking about being a pin cushion. lol. i got upset the other day and shouted that if hes gonna be all nervous and wiery about this maybe its not for him, but he wants to give it a whirl so, well give it a whirl. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 910 |
the only thing is i am not sure if this is going to be on a continous basis. im pretty sure he just wants to try this out and not make a habit out of it , but you know how that goes. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
Go with the 500. If I could change the long gone past, I would have gone with 500. you won't regret it. other than not being able to walk for a few weeks of course {8^) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 222 |
I vote with 2thick, but then i'm an old dude... 3 years ago 250 a week was a given for your first cycle. Eat big,train big, and this will make you grow. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2130 |
I have done 250mg a week and made great gains. In my opinion you should use the bare mininum that you can get away with. Why waste juice? The more you use the more sides you get. I would not recommend only 250mg if he was a seasoned vet, but he should make great gains for a first timer and have less of a crash afterwards. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
500/wk...no question about it | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 222 |
First timer would get some nice gains of 500, myself I would use no less than 750. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 108 |
I agree with 2Thick. You'll get kick-ass results from 250 per week with tons of food and protein. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 284 |
I would go with 250 a week. That's what I did and it worked well for me. But everyone is different. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 106 |
Go with the 250mg per week!! I did a 9-week cycle and gained close to 25 pounds. That was a bunch of hard fucking work and diet but it can be done. Save the 500mg for the 2nd cycle! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
More is better to an extent. I'd use a minimum of 500mg/week and would feel better about 750 mg /week unless the individual is particularly teensy (under 220 pounds). 250 / week will keep your natural test production shut down but will not produce meaningful gains. My advice is to never do a cycle with half-assed dosages. Good luck! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
I say that you should use 250mg/week. It will work to get da gains ya want without wasting ya money. I'm with 2think. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 5 |
at 250mg a week, do you need clomid? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 431 |
Bump for 2Thick's good advice! ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2130 |
Always use clomid, it will help your natural hormones rebound afterwards. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 910 |
yes i will have him on clomid throughout and a couple weeks after | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1382 |
Every cycle should include atleast 500mg of test in my opinion. Upto 1000mg of Test wouldn't be a waste ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
You gotta be an idiot to use 500-1000mg for your first cycle when you will grow just fine with 250mg per week. You might not get as much but at least you will not risk a bad reaction or injury from getting too strong too fast. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 141 |
I'm not the scientist here but I read in a few places that 500mg or more a week in two seperate injections spread out every 3-4 days is best, due to the fact that sust has a fast acting test that will slowly fade after 3-4 days.So administering 2 times a week would keep your levels at a steady instead of up and down.And test levels at a steady high level provides the best opportunity for growth. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 74 |
250 mgs. is great...........for my girl. he he. on the real go at least 500 for a newbie,750-1000 intermediate,1000+,seasoned.some might say that is too much. but all the big boys i work out with run 1000+ (at least!). on 1500 mgs. of dura a week right now. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 31 |
I have been researching my first cycle for about 4 months now. I have just found out that I have a cholesterol of 2.34 (which is abnormally low). This has identified a malabsorption problem in my intestine for the absorption of nutrients. So, until I get to the bottom of that, my weight gain cycle is on hold. Sorry about that... The cycle which I have decided on would be as follows: WEEK----SUST250----WINNY----CLOMID I am 75kg and 6'2" and have received alot of support for this 'first' cycle. Anyone, please comment if you disagree. I was aiming for around 10kg of gain, minimum. However, diet is most important!!!!!!!! Good luck...I hope you get the support I have! bump | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6867 |
Blonski, Your cycle looks well thought out. You will reach your goals if you eat well and train hard. |
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posted February 27, 2001 03:32 PM