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EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

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From:nunya, fukinbizness
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posted February 27, 2001 11:20 AM

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could everyone that has tried thisplease give me some information about how it went, how were the sides or anything else you can provide. thanks for your time.

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The Shadow

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From:Georgia
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posted February 27, 2001 11:25 AM

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Seems to me that EOD would be the most efficent way to take advantage of the release time of the Prop.


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EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

Amateur Bodybuilder

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From:nunya, fukinbizness
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posted February 27, 2001 11:52 AM

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WELL I SAW A FEW POSTS WERE PEOPLE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING AN ED CYCLE FOR 1 DAYS AND IT WAS SUPPOSE TO WORK REALLY WELL. AND I REMEMBER A FEW GUYS POSTING ABOUT THIS LIKE A FEW MONTHS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I JUST CAN'T FIND THE ARTICLE SO I THOUGHT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE COMENTING ON THIS MIGHT STILL BE HERE AND CLOULD GIVE ME SOME MORE INSITE. THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME.

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skippy

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posted February 27, 2001 11:55 AM

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bump..I'd like to hear more...

[This message has been edited by skippy (edited February 27, 2001).]


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Krusher

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posted February 27, 2001 12:26 PM

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I think a similar but more effective plan would be to shoot 1000mgs of enth or cyp weekly along with 100mgs of susp daily..that's how I'll do test next time.


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The Man Child

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From:Florida
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posted February 27, 2001 02:20 PM

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This summer I'll be doing 1cc of Sust ED. I plan on taking it for 28 days, then take a month off of everything, and follow that up with an entire month of Clomid.

TEST IS BEST

BTW, check out my current cycle results I just posted. Two weeks into it and I'm already up 22lb. Its a Sust/EOD cycle


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Lthrnk

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posted February 27, 2001 04:08 PM

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I've been taking 1 amp sus 250 ed for 2 weeks now and plan on doing it for 30 days straight then ill go to eod for 3 weeks then 2 per week for 4 more I am also taking 40mgs Dbol per day weeks 1-4 and will be starting GH after my 30 day are up Im thinking of going with 4ius 5 on 2 off with 10 ius slin ed I also have T3 and winny tabs to through in at the end of this if I feel I need it Ive gained almost 20 lbs in 2 weeks and my bf% is still around the same Im holding at 10%

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dissto

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From:canada
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posted February 27, 2001 06:48 PM

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ok here is the rationelle behind Sust ED. i post this here once a month or so. i have tried EOD and it was fuking amazing. so much better than doing it all at once at the begining of the week, anyways here it is....

The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle by Squatdemon

One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benefit from the esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not receive proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continuously, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle. All test is the same, but only once the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results from the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.
I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop 60mg of phenylprop 60mg of isocaproate 100mg of deconate Combined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Let's take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body.
30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benefits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now let's say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week.
60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, *******'s powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.
To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at the longer acting esters in sus.
60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time.
100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Deca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.
If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a different story).
The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesn't like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no it's not crazy, it's science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal injecting every day. People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference. Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed, and you just may thank me and DAWG later......peace

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