Second, you hear people saying abombs are much harsher that dbol. why? i don't know.

Sure there's a difference if you compare their pill mg's, but that's not what i'm talking about.

What i'm saying is that if you take 50mg of anadrol or 50 mg of halo or 50mg of dbol or 50 mg of winny, wouldn't they all be the same as far as toxicity goes? I haven't been able to get a clear answer to this in my years of study. I'm no chemist, but wouldn't 17aa equal 17aa. Need some educated bros to clear this up for me.

there are different aspects you must consider when talking about the possible side effects associated with different drugs.

In the past I posted a study proving that liver damage was NOT affected when equal amounts of different 17aa compounds were administered. This would piont to them all having the SAME toxicity or close to it, to the liver. However, 17aa compounds obviously do more than just survive the digestive process. Once you get past the issue of liver values, you can begin to think about how the drug interacts with your body. Winstrol dosen't induce gyno, water retention, or many other sides effects. You might be able to use 150mgs of Winny a day, but if you were to use 150mgs of Anadrol a day, you MIGHT experience more harsh side effects, such as water retention, gyno, acne, blood pressure increases, fatty acid counts, yada yada. I have spent much time defending anadrol, but not everyone is the same.

oxandrolone:
5alpha-androstan-2-OXA-17alpha-methyl-17beta-ol-3-one
notice the 17alpha-methyl, not 17alpha-alkalated

This is posted above by someone else and it was my understanding as well. Regardless, i'm not into a debate over whether avavar is 17aa, my original post is what i want a discussion over. Any thoughts on that fonz?

Thanks