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 how does this cycle look BRO'S ?
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eddie Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted March 24, 2000 02:49 PM
  
this is my first cycle. i did alot of studying and this is what i came up with.Iam 28 yrs old 220lbs b/f ??. deca weeks1-5 400mgs weeks6-7 300mgs weeks8-9 200mgs.primo weeks5-7 400mgs week 8 300mgs week 9 200mgs.Winstrol weeks 5-7 1cc mon wed fri week 8 1cc mon wed 50mgs fri week 9 50mgs mon 50mgs wed 50 mgs fri.When do you think clomid or nolvadex should come in?I am looking to put on 20lbs or so on and get ripped .THANKS TO ALL IP: Logged |
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rookiejuicer Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted March 24, 2000 03:26 PM
1st of all your getting way too specific... Clomid should be taken with the whole cycle... but be careful of your fluctuation with Winny... set a more general, pyramid cycle... seems to work for me... I was 155 and am now 175lbs. 6 weeks later on just sustanon without changing any body fat percentage IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 1658) |
posted March 24, 2000 04:54 PM
Put some test in the cycle at 500-1000mg a week. IP: Logged |
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Tueros Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted March 24, 2000 08:16 PM
Rookie, I'm curious as to why you suggest clomid throughout the cycle. I have seen this before with many cycles posted. This cycle, however, is primarily anabolics with relatively weak androgens. Maybe to keep up endogenous test production, especially with Deca. However, is there any advantage to doing this other than maybe keeping up sex drive. Will natural test come back on line quicker at end of cycle? Can't clomid hinder gains like nolvadex? Personally, I would just use the clomid at the end of the cycle, or add it in if I noticed my testes shrinking and my sex drive disappearing. Eddie, It looks as though you are sort of pyramiding - lower dosages up front, higher in the middle, lower towards end. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems as though the consensus is moving to high doses at the start to "shock your receptors" then taper a bit towards the end. Since you are using primarily anabolics, you may have trouble putting on 20 lbs and losing BF. It you manage to, though, they should be fairly solid with that stack. You should eat, eat, eat to gain that 20 lb, so it may be hard to decrease BF, esp. the "ripped" level to which you aspire. Adding some test would probably help with gains but if you do you might then want to decrease amnts of some of the other drugs since you're a first timer. IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 1658) |
posted March 24, 2000 08:20 PM
Tueros, using clomid eod or ed through your cycle will prevent your natural test production from being supressed. Which allows you to drop test levels faster without worrying about crashing, as well you never have to take hcg(thank god) and you never have to worry about restarting your natural test, it's always going! IP: Logged |
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eddie Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted March 24, 2000 09:32 PM
I do have some sust250 redijects [9 of them] but i was going to wait until next year to do them because according to many many posts that i read i should not do any tests since i am a first timer. DOES anyone agree or disagree. thanks to all who reply. IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 109) |
posted March 24, 2000 09:38 PM
Don't do test for a first cycle, do d-bol and deca. D-bol will give you what you are looking for. email me if u have any questions. LP IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 431) |
posted March 24, 2000 10:47 PM
You should MOST DEFINITELY have test first cycle. You should MOST DEFINITELY have test first cycle. You should.........Ok get the idea? Sust250 is probably the most popular (as well it should be) but I also have used enanthate (T200) and cypionate, good gains from both, but I love cyp. Test. Matt IP: Logged |
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Triple H Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted March 24, 2000 11:41 PM
I've been doing this a few years myself, so here's my 2 bits. I agree with the couple of guys that said do some test. I would personnally do the test at the beginning, then do the cycle you planned right after. Use the anabolics after the androgens and your gains will hold better. This is one way to do things. Triple H IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 854) |
posted March 25, 2000 12:03 AM
It looks like a decent cycle. I think this is a great 1st cycle. Save the test for your next cycle. The 1st cycle is a learning cycle, so you should not waste the test on it. Once you realize (through trial and error during the first cycle) that diet and rest are 80% of growth, you will be ready to use the test for all that it is worth for your next cycle. Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 236) |
posted March 25, 2000 02:38 AM
2Thick, you raise a good point regarding first cycles being for trial and error, but I would think the simpler the cycle the less room for error. My advice would be to get some more test and do a test only cycle, keeping the other stuff you have for the next cycle and acquiring some knowledge on stacking in the meantime. If you're going to do the cycle as written, you may want to toss in some test to maintain your sex drive. As regards clomid, I always used to do it at end of cycle, but I did it thruout recently and plan on continuing doing that in the future. If you do throw in the test, keep nolvadex on hand just in case, but the cycle you outlined above does not require its use. IP: Logged |
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OMEGALOS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted March 25, 2000 10:04 PM
Shit man, are you a steroid scientist? I mean do you really have to get that complicated? Fuck, i cant remember what i had for breakfast!let alone keep track of all that. I may not have the extensive experience with juice that some of the others have, but ive always kept it simple and have gotten my gains. As long as you train hard, eat a lot, sleep as much as possible youll do well. There is no perfect cycle. just a suggestion if you want a simple approach, take 1 sust. a week(1-9), 300deca(1-9),200mg winny(wks 5-7), clomid at end. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 536) |
posted March 25, 2000 10:29 PM
add testo, use clomid EOD throughout and at the end... big-guy IP: Logged |
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