posted March 24, 2000 02:16 PM         

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STATS
Age: 18 years
Height: 5'8''
Weight: 128 lbs
Bodyfat Percentage: 6%
Arms: 13 inches
Quads: 19 inches
Lifting experience: 3 full years

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I fully understand the risks and possible side effects that will be present due my age, and to the large doses I have chosen in comparison to my low weight. It is a conscious and informed choice I have made, and I don't want anybody to flame me for that choice. This is my first cycle.

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CYCLE

Wk---Test---Deca---Refb
1----800----xxxx---40mg/d
2----800----xxxx---40mg/d
3----800----300---40mg/d
4----800----300---40mg/d
5----800----300---30mg/d (until I run out)
6----800----300---xxxx
7----600----300---xxxx
8----600----300---xxxx

The ref-b will be split up into 5-6 doses throughout the day, and the dosages are slightly inaccurate because it is so hard to make sure I have _exactly_ 0.3 ml in the syringe. I need a syringe cartridge with a small diameter. But I'm not too worried about it... I'll keep doses around 35-40mg/day until I run out of the stuff. Shots will be once a week, one in each glute.

Clomid will be taken every other day throughout the cycle, and there will be a usual treatment post-cycle. The AS that I am using are T200, Nor200, and Ref-b.

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DIET

I am an ectomorph and have a high metabolism. For my entire life I have basically been able to eat as much as I wanted to and retain a very low natural bodyfat% (currently 6%). My maitenance diet is roughly 2500 calories. It is fairly rounded, one piece of fruit per day, pizza, burgers, I don't worry about it too much or count calories. Throughout the cycle, I will consume 10-12 protein shakes daily. This is approximately 1200-1500 extra calories, and 220-264g of why concentrate protein. This will be supplemental to my regular 2500 calorie per day diet. I will drink at _least_ 1 gallon of water per day, and I will try to drink 1/2 gallon of skim milk per day, which is an additional 64 grams of protein daily. With this newly added protein in my diet, plus whatever protein I have been getting until now, I estimate my daily protein intake at approximately 400g/day.

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SUPPLEMENTS
I take 200mg of Chromium Picolinate every day. 2 weeks after the cycle, I will begin ECA and continue that for two weeks. During the cycle I am using Nizoral Shampoo 2on/1off. I also have prescription topical acne medication for my face, but I will probably just grow out a beard to hide it for the cycle.

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WORKOUTS
I will work out six days per week, 3 for upper body pulling muscles, 2 for upper body pushing muscles, and 1 for legs. On the seventh day I will probably end up working calves and abs anyway because I love working out.

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Any questions?

posted March 24, 2000 02:36 PM         

My very first injection was today. I was very nervous, and was actually shaking throughout the duration of the injection. As an instructional story, I'm going to relate what the injecting process is like -- 2thick's site paints a fairly good picture (thanks a lot, 2thick, by the way) of what it will be like -- because it wasn't nearly like I had imagined it. The syringe is a very awkward tool, especially when you have to turn around and jab it in your ass. The oil was very slow drawing up into the syringe. Probably because the syringe has such a small diameter, the flow rate is slower. You have to hold the plunger back and wait about 45 seconds for the gear to come up to your mark. My first injection was 2 cc's of T200. I was standing there naked for about 10 minutes pacing back and forth and wiping my left ass cheek with an alcohol swab every couple minutes, with a readied brand new, sterile needle. I was being a goddamned coward. I practiced doing it with an empty syringe that had no needle on it -- this seems kind of stupid, but I would recommend it for first time injectors. It gives you a good feel for where you're aiming for, and how you're going to hold the needle with one hand while the other hand is pushing the plunger in. Eventually I just thought about how silly I was being, pacing around naked, bit my lip, turned around in front of a mirror and stuck it in slowly with my left hand. Don't do it slowly, you first time injectors. The only painful part about it is the first 1/8 of an inch or so while you're piercing the outer skin. So don't hesitate, just shove it in. There was some resistance for that first 1/8 of an inch or so, then it just slid in. I got it in about 1.25 inches, I was using a 1.5 inch needle. It made a little ripping sound when it pierced the skin, kind of like the sound of popping a big zit. Like tissue tearing apart. So now I'm holding the syringe in my left hand and it is 1.25 inches into my ass, and I'm shaking uncontrollably. I reached around my back with my right hand and held the needle, and pushed the plunger in with my left hand (I forgot to aspirate because I was so nervous, but it ended up not being a problem, lucky me). This is nothing like any other shot you've gotten. Like tetanus shots, you are in and out, it takes about 3 seconds to inject the stuff. It took at least a full minute to get all 2 cc's of gear into me. There's a little tingling feeling, but that was all. Pulled the needle out, and held an alcohol swab on the site for about 2 minute with good pressure. There was very, very little bleeding, and only a small red dot to show for the injection. No pain at the site after the injection -- there is a weird feeling though, like you can tell there's something in your muscle. Kind of like if you had a bruise that has been there for a couple weeks, and it is just barely tender, almost gone. I was going to inject the other 400mg's of this week's dose in the other cheek, but I was shaking too much and figured since this one went so easily, I wouldn't be so nervous tomorrow. So I put some clothes on, went to the gym, and did some squats. By the second set, I had forgotten there was any oil in my ass at all. By now, I feel nothing there. No soreness. So I was all worried about nothing.

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The ref-b tastes excellent! HA! The good thing about the taste is that it makes the protein shake that I follow it up with very appealing. Hehe. How do the rest of you take this stuff orally? I drew up about 0.3 cc in the syringe and then took the needle off and squirted it in my mouth. BUT, not all of it would come out, there were some drops left in there. Someone help me figure out how to get all the ref-b but I guess it is ok to slightly underdose the ref-b because 40mg/day is a little much for me I think anyway.

So far no weight gains! Hehe, no side effects either. I will check back in a couple of days to tell you how I'm doing.

posted March 24, 2000 02:49 PM            

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The Cuban

posted March 24, 2000 05:03 PM            

Good post, laddy.

posted March 24, 2000 05:19 PM            

im sorry to say this but you need food, lots of it. if you are deadset on using just take the test and lose the other stuff.

use 2 cc of test a week for about 6-8 wks and end with clomid. nothing fancy. at 128 lbs thats plenty.

posted March 24, 2000 06:13 PM            

seems like over kill. I'd figure out some way to get my weight up over 150lbs, before I started shooting gear. If you've been training for three years and love to lift and you remain at 128 pounds, you have a problem.

You need to eat more food, and better food. Pizza, burgers and a piece of fruit?

Unless you start training and eating better, I suspect the gains you make on roids will be gone in a few months.

Steroids hepl you get huge, but you need to do all the work.

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-THE honduran

posted March 24, 2000 07:25 PM         

You guys did get me thinking though. And you're right I am probably wasting some gear. Through your suggestion, I've decided to lower the test dosages to 500mg/week and leave it there throughout. The other dosages are staying the same though. Part of the fun of all this is that I want to put on 40 lbs. It's an experiment with my body, and I'm a bit more liberal with it than most.

posted March 24, 2000 08:33 PM            

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eFiGy

"conan, what is best in life?"
"TO CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES, TO SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, AND TO HEAR THE LAMENTATION OF THE WOMEN!!!"
-Arnold in "Conan, the barbarian"

posted March 24, 2000 09:09 PM         

Bottom line is that I decided to juice already. The gear is in my ass and I'm not turning back now. BTW, Ass update: feels like I got hit with a bat now, no knot, and no visible sore so it should be OK. Lots of guys had their first cycle at 18 or even earlier. Most of them probably weighed more than 130 lbs, but who's to say I can't do this right just because I'm a lightweight? I told you I'm adding about 1500 protein cals to my diet every day, and I've stuck to that today with no problem. I've enjoyed it.

Plus, if you guys could go back and do your first cycle.... wouldn't you up the dosages, just a little bit?

I've got nothing against you guys, I mean we SHOULD be here to help each other out. And you shouldn't have anything against me. So thanks for the advice [I did decide to lower the test dosage] but there's no need to be hostile so I'm sorry.

posted March 24, 2000 09:51 PM            

Peace

posted March 24, 2000 10:31 PM            

It sounds like you made an informed decision, and you seem fairly competent. The way you made your decision, should be the model for anyone......a well-researched choice.

That is a lot of test. I like that!

Good luck, keep us informed.

Matt

posted March 27, 2000 12:01 AM         

Ass finally feels better. So far this has not been a great experience. My cycle that is. Ass pain has been terrible, and today I've been nautious (haven't quite been able to get all my calories) and felt weak and tired all day long... although that has gotten better in the last couple hours. Ref-b tastes about as good as gasoline. In good news, I weighed myself this morning at the 48-hour mark, and I was 131. Probably because I'm eating more. Maybe different water weights, but it was the same time of day and it's 3 whole pounds. I have not noticed any strength gains, but like I said I was feeling nautious and weak, and I think that's from the gear since it is going away now.

So far no acne or gyno, so that's good. Macrophage69alpha you are right. What I am after is instant grafication. And some better pussy. But I have noticed that this is going to be a lot more taxing than I had originally thought. You know, I thought I'd get my gear and stick it in me no problem and be fucking superman. But I got my gear and fumbled around with a syringe like a coward for half an hour, and spent the next two days limping around on a sore ass, splitting at the gut for stomaching about twice as much as I usually do. But I am still here, and I'm not going to give up on it..

BTW guys, thanks for convincing me to lower the T dosage. I wouldn't have been able to walk if I would have stabbed the other side of my ass! Plus at those dosages I probably was gearing to grow a third pectoral... or at least a nice pair of bitch tits.

I'll save the other gear for another cycle.

One question I have is would my ass hurt less if I took two shots of less cc's. Or is it the actual shot that causes the pain and not the breakdown of the gear?

Thanks again guys, and I'll update again when I feel a real kick from the ref-b.

posted March 28, 2000 09:49 AM            

good post.
keep us informed bro'

posted March 28, 2000 11:21 AM            

I didn't mean to dis you ro anything. Or imply you were a shitty trainer. or weak or a sissy. You just seemed kinda light, no weak, and it sounded like you wanted ot gain mass.

I'm the opposite, size is easy, but I'm as strong as a woman powerlifter half my weight.

Sorry dude.

I was just trying to state that perhaps you might get even better results from you AS schedule, if you did a check on your current training schedule (like maybe cut your aerobic activity in half or more)

peace bro, good luck.

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-THE honduran

posted March 29, 2000 10:55 PM         

after Day 6, I weighed in at 133, that's 5 lbs up. I still look the same though -- where the hell did my five pounds go?
I had the most awesome pump today... bicep vein fucking sticking out and throbbing at everybody. Damn I feel good. Don't know if it's the juice or what, but I want to go out and start a fight or something -- I feel like I could fucking rip somebody arms off.

Finally noticed some strength gains today in the gym. I was doing usual number of reps but with 5-10 more lbs in all my bicep/back exercises. I just hope I'll see the same power on the benchpress tomorrow. That's the hot shit, you know, benchpress. All these goddamn wimps at school are always asking how much can you bench. [I know you guys think I'm a wuss, but I'm actually pretty nicely ripped. Maybe I'll post before/after pics when the cycle is over and you'll see that 128 didn't look so bad on me. Actually I guess I am pretty wimpy compared to most of you though. I'm fixing that] No guy is ever like, 'so how much can you preacher curl?' or 'damn you're ripped, how much can you squat?' or 'holy shit, you're huge, I bet you can barbell row twice what I can!' It's always how much can you benchpress. More than them, that's how much. Not that I've got anything against the benchpress, but there's more to lifting and BBing than just that. But still I've got some lifting buddies that I'd like to show up on the bench -- to a certain degree, it is the lift that most guys [even if a lot of them don't know what they're doing] will use to measure themselves by, so it's nice to have something to brag about.

Now I've got one nasty problem I need you guys to help me out with. I've got the worst case of shitnuts I've ever had. My shit is getting rock hard. It feels like I am pooping marbles, and it's tearing up all the tissue down there. Just nasty and terrible. Just a guess, but this is probably from all the protein I'm taking in...the important part is... what can I do to fix it? Some supplement, or addition to diet? Please help.

I forget who posted it, but I'm taking your advice and going to 4 upper body workouts per week... 2 for bicepts/back, and 2 for chest/tris/delts. Just going to make them a little more intense. Also I have already cut out all cardio activity.

Anyway, somebody please help me with the poor shit quality problem... and I'll check back in a few days.