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ydnarb9
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posted March 22, 2000 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ydnarb9   Click Here to Email ydnarb9     Edit/Delete Message
Vitality health products has gone done in Thailand with a few other undisclosed pharmacies. This is off the asscoiated press http://wire.ap.org
It basically says the FDA sent warning letters to many foreign pharmacies that they are breaking U.S. law by selling steroids and other controlled substances to customers in the U.S. The FDA wants to go after pharmacies that sell scheduled substances to the USA. Its too bad because vitality had some good deals on non controlled substances such as proscar.

Be safe-

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Sittin' On Diesel
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posted March 22, 2000 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sittin' On Diesel   Click Here to Email Sittin' On Diesel     Edit/Delete Message
Damn.. can't they just crackdown on carjackers, theives and murderers?? Aren't there better things to do??

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SLAYER69
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posted March 22, 2000 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SLAYER69   Click Here to Email SLAYER69     Edit/Delete Message
No, God forbid you want to look better. Getting coke or heroin is no problem where I live. But forget about some test.

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rocky
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posted March 22, 2000 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rocky     Edit/Delete Message
Another good reason to buy domestic

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ydnarb9
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posted March 22, 2000 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ydnarb9   Click Here to Email ydnarb9     Edit/Delete Message
From the new york times in addition,

Six people got busted for ordering scheduled substances from these pharmacies. The busts occurred in albany NY i believe.

Be safe!

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mtlman01
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posted March 22, 2000 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mtlman01   Click Here to Email mtlman01     Edit/Delete Message
Let 's get this straight , you can buy crack , and kill someone for your fix, and only do a little jail time for being busted with the stuff... But buying and selling juice is a federal offense..... Something is most definitely wrong here ............

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Dexter
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posted March 22, 2000 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dexter   Click Here to Email Dexter     Edit/Delete Message
Here it is. What a sorry fucking affair this is.

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By The Associated Press
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Twenty-two people have been arrested in Thailand for allegedly selling prescription drugs on the Internet and exporting them to the United States, Thai and U.S. officials said Tuesday.

The arrests were the result of a joint operation by U.S. and Thai customs agents, the first case in which the U.S. government had a hand in closing the Web sites of foreign companies exporting drugs that can be bought in the United States only with a prescription.

Tranquilizers, diet pills and steroids were among the drugs the three Internet pharmacies targeted in the sweep were accused of mailing overseas, mostly to customers in the United States, a U.S. Embassy spokeswoman said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Six people have also been arrested in the United States for allegedly buying drugs from a Thai Internet pharmacy, she said.

``Many of these Internet pharmacies are fly-by-night operations set up overseas to avoid U.S. law,'' U.S. Customs Service Commissioner Raymond Kelly said in Washington. ``They have little regard for patient safety. They're only interested in making a fast buck, then moving on to the next victim.''

At one of the targets, Bangkok-based Vitality Health Products, 80 percent of online sales went to U.S. buyers, said Kevin Delli-Colli, director of Customs cybersmuggling center in Fairfax, Va.

``We're seeing Valium, fen-phen (the diet drug), Viagra and a lot of anabolic steroids,'' Delli-Colli said. In some cases, the quantities involved ``suggest people are buying them for distribution.''

Prescription drugs are readily available over the counter in Thai pharmacies, despite growing government efforts to regulate pharmaceutical sales.

The 22 suspects, arrested from November through January after almost six months of investigation, face up to five years in jail for violating Thai export regulations, a Thai customs investigator said on condition of anonymity.

U.S. authorities are additionally preparing indictments, as the suspects are also liable for prosecution under U.S. law, the embassy spokeswoman said.

Thai Foreign Minister Surin Pitsuwan said his government, which is hosting a meeting this week of 20 Asia-Pacific nations on fighting cross-border crime, pledged full support for further cooperation on illegal Internet sales.

``Certainly the cooperation is two-way: we inform each other of the various violations of this nature,'' he said in an interview. The cooperation extends to other crimes as well, such as U.S. tourists who visit Thailand for sex with children, he said.

Thailand and the United States began their joint investigation of online pharmacies after Thai customs officers intercepted parcels of drugs being mailed to the United States in May 1999.

U.S. Customs seized 9,725 packages with prescription drugs mailed to the United States in 1999, compared with 2,145 packages in 1998.

Authorities did not release details about the companies involved in the recent raid.

Among those arrested in Thailand was a Singaporean national who ran one of the online pharmacies. Another company was operated by a British national, who fled the country, the Thai customs officer said.

Dozens of computers and large quantities of drugs, including Viagra and the tranquilizers Xanax and Valium, were seized, he said.

Joint investigations were continuing to identify more online pharmacies suspected of operating illegally in Thailand, the embassy spokeswoman said.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced in February it had sent e-mails to a dozen operators of foreign-based Internet drugstores, warning them they may be engaged in activities illegal under U.S. law.

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On the Net:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on ``Buying Medical Products Online'': http://www.fda.gov/oc/buyonline/

The FDA's warnings about foreign online pharmacies: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS01001.html


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MentalBlock
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posted March 22, 2000 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MentalBlock   Click Here to Email MentalBlock     Edit/Delete Message
What about us who don't live in the US, why are we made to suffer?

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Jonrocks
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posted March 22, 2000 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonrocks   Click Here to Email Jonrocks     Edit/Delete Message
Becasue the US has to stick its nose in everybodies business to "protect" people. It is not home of the free anymore. Can't make your own decsions or make up your own mind, without the government getting involved.

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oversized
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posted March 22, 2000 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oversized   Click Here to Email oversized     Edit/Delete Message
what i don't understand is why those other countries just let the USA just waltz on in and arrest whom ever they want anywhere in the world. Shit if it were my country and the FDA wanted to arrest some of my people i would give them the big middle finger, tell them that we allow it in our country, and just who the hell do you think you are telling me what to do. How many other countries do you ever see just barge into the USA and arrest whom ever they feel fit. no one because the USA doesn't allow that. Im not advocating war or anything but for god sake Just who the hell does the FDA think they are or the US government for that matter. Conclusion, Too much government involvement in with the wrong issues!!!

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thiassi
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posted March 22, 2000 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thiassi     Edit/Delete Message
Just saw it on the computer channel ZDTV. They said the web sites were busted, this sucks. I wonder how much we paid in tax dollers for them to bust them. I'm sure there were lots of old people who could not revisit a doctor and now they don't get medication.

L8R

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die_hard842
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posted March 22, 2000 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for die_hard842   Click Here to Email die_hard842     Edit/Delete Message
the FDA CUNTS, well they can't do anything to the foreign pharmacias, it is legal in there country were the law is being broken is the person that orders from a country were these products are controlled. the most the can do is put out a FDA alert for customs to watch for gear coming from these companies.

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Sittin' On Diesel
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posted March 22, 2000 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sittin' On Diesel   Click Here to Email Sittin' On Diesel     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah- it's pretty sad shit. It's really fucked up.

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bad brains
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posted March 22, 2000 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bad brains   Click Here to Email bad brains     Edit/Delete Message
The damn feds, go figure, just like someone else said on here, they don't mess with folks that sell coke and heroine, they are after shit that does not have as big a market, probably because roid dealers are not giving the sorry bastards any kickback.
You can just about bet your ass that there is some dickhead sitting in a nice leather chair in a airconditioned room counting all his money that he got NOT to bust coke and heroine dealers, PISSES ME OFF IN THE WORST DAMN WAY, AND IF THERE ARE ANY FEDS READING THIS.....KISS MY BIG STEROID FILLED %$#...
AND E-MAIL ME IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT SO I CAN SEND YOUR ADDRESS A BIG NASTY VIRUS....
sorry mods. had to get that off my chest.

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MentalBlock
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posted March 22, 2000 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MentalBlock   Click Here to Email MentalBlock     Edit/Delete Message
You think the FDA will get the mailing lists etc from the busted sites? If so will they start to look at the people who order big.

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t48
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posted March 22, 2000 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t48   Click Here to Email t48     Edit/Delete Message
My guess is it's only a matter of time before sites like this one are either shut down or regulated to the point where they aren't fun anymore. The good thing is the internet regulation debate is still raging, which gives us some breathing room.

I'm sure those that want regulation are looking for examples of why it's needed. Who knows, they may be watching already. Although Mentalblock has a good point, bad brains took the words right out of my fingers.

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ozzymandius
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posted March 22, 2000 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozzymandius   Click Here to Email ozzymandius     Edit/Delete Message
Funny I can go couple blockz down and buy crack, and crystal but can't buy anything worth poop. I ask a dealer back when I smoked about deca and he laughed and told me he could get liquid cid but I shouldn't waste my time with "That stuff" I'm not saying cid is bad just that the lawz are screwed.

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Nugent
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posted March 23, 2000 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nugent   Click Here to Email Nugent     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 22613408
Its an election year,dont be surprised if you see more busts of different types of drugs.Public is used to crack,MJ,heroine busts.What really makes the public feel good is if we bust the "date RAPE drug" and those very dangerous "Steroids" that make people lose their temper and go on rampages.

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Mr H
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posted March 23, 2000 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr H   Click Here to Email Mr H     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I can get some coke, ecstacy or special k by making a few phone calls. Hell, I can get some alcohol by walking down the block to a store! But steroids, which do as much or less to the body than liquor, are becoming harder and harder to buy everyday....ridiculous.

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BIG_BILLY
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posted March 23, 2000 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BIG_BILLY   Click Here to Email BIG_BILLY     Edit/Delete Message

what a fucking joke, thats all i have to say.

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transparent
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posted March 23, 2000 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for transparent   Click Here to Email transparent     Edit/Delete Message
Instead of venting on this site, why doesn't someone do something and try to change the law! That is how it is done. We just need to learn the game!
Any Takers?
I am ready R U?

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Jonrocks
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posted March 23, 2000 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonrocks   Click Here to Email Jonrocks     Edit/Delete Message
I am with you transparent... I am ready for some changes... hey nicotine and alchol, available all over the states and cheap to obtain... known to kill and casue dieasae. People and doctors know that they are harmfull and should be avoided... can be purchased for very cheap and available all over. AS, good for you if done correctly, people who do them treat thier bodies like temples. Now that is fucked up.

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ydnarb9
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posted March 23, 2000 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ydnarb9   Click Here to Email ydnarb9     Edit/Delete Message
"Bad Brains you are so full of shit its funny you have any brains left at all. Of all federal drug busts last lear less than 1% was for steroids. The highest were cocaine and its derivatives, marijuana, the meths and so on. The feds philosophy has always been to get the top people. Thats how drug cartels have been brought down the mafia etc. Steroids aren't a high profit item comared to crack or meth(especially blue ice the most desired and dangerous form of meth known)You don't see people selling steroids on the corner or taking hits of deca in the backroom of party. Steroids will always be low priority because it is not a danger to users no one dies from juice generally steroid users live a positive healthy productive lifestlyle. Its when they start dealing and then see the profits of other more profitable drugs that can lead to being busted.

It makes me wonder why the FDA was involved in this. The FDA has been under a lot of pressure from the major pharmaceutical comapanies

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transparent
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posted March 23, 2000 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for transparent   Click Here to Email transparent     Edit/Delete Message
The reason tobacco and alcohol are around is supply and demand. Almost all the people want it so they get it. Just like in the 1920�s when alcohol was bootlegged. The demand grew high and finally we re-legalized it. (The dates might be wrong but the point is the same!)
Who knows how to change a law?
What steps are involved?
Any lawyers around for advice?
It won�t happen if we don�t try!


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ydnarb9
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posted March 23, 2000 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ydnarb9   Click Here to Email ydnarb9     Edit/Delete Message
To Transparent I agree with you,

1.First we need to get rid of Janet Reno she is the worst attorney general law enforcement wise in our history. 2. David kessler has to be removed from the head of the FDA. He is totally selling out to the pharmaceutical companies. He is giving into there pressure to shut down foreing and domestic pharmacies because these pharmacies sell the same drugs for a fraction of the big US companies. They plain and simple want a monopoly. Next we need to educate our senators about testosterone and its derivatives. Explain to them that the test gel they are taking for hormone replacement therapy is actually a anabolic steroid. Show em research done on AIDS people and othes with waisting disease and how steroids have helped them from waisting and how there were no side effects. Finally we can bitch slap the media every time they try to "make a news story" about how evil steriods are. Its a start.

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transparent
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posted March 23, 2000 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for transparent   Click Here to Email transparent     Edit/Delete Message
Well if anyone is as serious as I am lets start a new post.(Lagalizing AS)Can't go into detail tonight but will be on tomorrow.

Good Night

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