posted March 19, 2000 11:45 PM            

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Its hillarious the stuff they talk about: how to get the most out of prohormones, the best whey protien, cell tech.... it goes on and on I think its funny ESPECIALLY the prohormone stuff!

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posted March 19, 2000 11:51 PM            

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Got a problem with talking about protein, takes more than just gear homslice.if you dont like it dont view it, not a hard choice.

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posted March 19, 2000 11:56 PM            

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no protien is great but when you break down into wheether isolate is better that concentrate then avoid casien and use soy it just amazes me (by the way evrything i said about protien so far was sarcasastic don't think I am dumb enough to actually say avoid casien and isolate is better), first, that people need to talk about it, second, the way people give strong answers that are wrong.

Really posted because prohormones are satan spamn (replace satan with Bill phillips if you like they are interchangable)

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posted March 20, 2000 12:00 AM            

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Got a point, the prohormones are pretty funny, if people have money to burn they can send it to me.

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posted March 20, 2000 12:17 AM            

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I'm with you CB3, supplements are a joke. I think thats the reason were here. We've learned our lesson. I admit I take supplements but mostly multi's EFA's somtimes creatine. But to be honest ive made better gains on a well planned real food diet than any supplement combo. At least we know gear works!

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posted March 20, 2000 12:23 AM            

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hey cb38ac -
Have you ever read Bill Phillip's supplement review. At least he calls it the way it is. A person could spend alot of dame money on something that won't do a thing for you. It wasn't long ago people where woofing down liver pills thinking that was the way to get protein. I like the guy and think he does his home work. And he is "ripped". At the very least he walks his own talk.

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posted March 20, 2000 12:36 AM            

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I think whey, creaine, glutamine, alpha lipoic acid, flax seed, and multi vits are worth taking.

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posted March 20, 2000 06:34 AM            

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notice i didn't put down those supps. those are the ones that work but those AREN'T the ones they talk about on there.

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posted March 20, 2000 07:39 AM         

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I gained 10 lbs after 6 wks of Nortesten. So , as you see , for me prohormones have worked good.

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posted March 20, 2000 09:10 AM            

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grosso,

While you were on nortesten did you change your diet, workout schedule etc ?

Voodoo

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posted March 20, 2000 09:35 AM         

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Yes. I change my routine every month , I have a personal trainer and he also is in charge to change my diet if needed. When I have started Nortesten , I have increased my proteins intake and also ate a lot of carbs. And I have made good gains of muscles , not fat , 10 lbs as I said.

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posted March 20, 2000 12:23 PM            

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the only other "board" i read is www.t-mag.com
or if someone on this board directs me to some
interesting info elsewhere
as for prohormones BIOTEST(t-mag) say they
have a new delivery system
TIM PATTERSON their head guy says that T levels are elevated for 10-12 hours
AND he goes on to make bold/stupid(time will tell) statement that "it feels like sust"
fuck head phillips once said that HMB "felt like deca"--he has no credibility now
for me this is a WAIT A SEE SUPPLEMENT
i think its going to hit the market in 4weeks

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posted March 20, 2000 01:18 PM            

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Cleaner are you kidding me? Bill Phillips is a joke. He didn't get that way from supps. I haven't read one of his supplement reviews lately. But I bet they are like his magazine.
Nothing but adds for his products.......
He sold out (not saying that I wouldn't do it either, but..)

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posted March 20, 2000 01:53 PM            

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CLEANER
it is an extreme mistake to think that Bill Phillips walks his own talk- he used to freely admit to using gear- look at the older issues of mm2k- now, that his magazine is a main stream supplement selling machine, he seems to have conveniently forgotten the fact- not to mention that he probably still uses them.

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posted March 20, 2000 03:14 PM            

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Prohormones are worthless. Yah people might think they made gains on them. PROVE IT.

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posted March 20, 2000 03:48 PM            

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I would suggest you read the thrid revision. All I am saying is that if it junk he teels you that it is. And its not his opion he pays for blind lab studies. I don't have the money or the time to review all the possiblities myself. And he doesn't mind saying that someone else has a good or better product than his.
To wether or not he is on gear - well is Lee Priest. All the magazines would have you believe that they are natural. And they do it all with 40 lb dumbells.

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posted March 20, 2000 07:29 PM            

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OUTSIDE OF PROTEIN,MULTI-VITAMINS,CREATINE,AND THERMOGENICS THE REST IS BASICALLY USLESS UNLESS U REALLY HAVE SOME DEFICIENCY. I LIKE CREATINE TO A DEGREE IT IS NOT THE SHIT AS SOME WOULD SAY.

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posted March 20, 2000 11:45 PM         

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Cleaner, you can respond any way you like about Bill Phillips. You are just a baby in this world. Anyone who would say what you are saying about this guy shows one simple fact. Your deffinately new to this scene. WE KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS GUY THAN YOU. He's the best scammer I have ever seen. Tells it like it is?...LOL, LOL, LOL! The man is a great writer, business man, and steals every bit of info he can to make guys like you worship him. I bet you think he is the one who introduced ANDRO and CREATINE to the market? By the way his products contain more carbs and sugar additives than he claims. So go write about him on his board and kiss his ass there. I'll give him one good compliment- he's great at making people like you follow him.......No seriously man, not trying to bash you too hard here, but trust us when we tell you this. HE IS FULL OF SHIT!!! Learn what you can from the guy, but it's all about who puts the money in his pocket...FLEX MAG, MUSCLE MAG, etc...don't matter. He's powerful, connected, and FULL OF CRAP!
---As to the thread.....I have to disagree with most of you. I did well with the prohormones. I think you have to dose them frequently (5-8X a day),and for a period of at least 8 weeks streight. Thats why it is better to buy it in 20g amounts. ANDRO and 19NORANDRO combined with a water based 19NOR5-ANDRO gave me great gains. Even got a little gyno from it, but it went away....
-I'm not a beginner here either. If you are trying to compare the prohormones to gear, YOUR NUTS, NO COMPARISON.

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posted March 21, 2000 04:48 AM         

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Gobler & David3 , I said that with Nortesten I gained 10 lbs. So , think what you want about prohormones , but they worked really good for me. Each person is different , a supplement that works good for you can works bad for me and so on , so please do not give generic comments. Just post your own experience.

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posted March 21, 2000 02:17 PM            

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Well I'm 32 fractured my spine three times.
Have two fused verebra C5 and C6. Spent one solid year where I wasn't allow to lift more than ten pounds. Broke my collar bone, seperated three ribs which will never be right. I have always used weight lifting to rehabilitate myself and get strong.
I have seen some shit - watch one of my best friends tear his pec - very ugly. I do not idolize Bill Phillip but, I think his book has good information - better than the mags and I have followed some of it with good gains.As far as him making money more power to him, isn't that what people try to do. I don't believe he is miss leading anyone. And if he is then every magazine and sup company is. So would you say the same of Weider.I believe it to be a crime to sell a product and not have the content be as labelled. After all you are sticking the stuff in your body.

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