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Y2Kylee
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posted March 16, 2000 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Y2Kylee   Click Here to Email Y2Kylee     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68011232
I get knee pain from cardio, especially the bike at high resistance and ankle and knee pain when running.

I strap my knees when squatting, leg-pressing etc and have no problems.

I am trying different training shoes but would like to know some exercises for strengthening knees and ankles.

I shouldn't be falling apart yet - I am only 20 years old!

Thanks . . .

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Neiko
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posted March 16, 2000 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neiko   Click Here to Email Neiko     Edit/Delete Message
Check this out I've had 3 knee surgeries 2 on the right knee one total reconstruction, and then another Acl reconstuction. Then I had my left knee scoped. I would honestly reccomend going to the doc and trying to have him get you an MRI so you and he can determine the problem, until then I would reccomend taking it easy for a while. I'm not saying quit using them all together just go light untill you know exactly whats wrong.
Good luck!!!!

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WarLobo
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posted March 16, 2000 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Stop the running as it is a very high impact exercise. Try to power walk with the treadmill at about 10 degree angle. Leg extentions are good - but like Neiko said, it would be wise to see the doc just to make sure everything is cool. But be prepaired to have him tell you to stop lifting... That's the only thing they know for a responce....

Stupid Docs

Late

Lobo

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eddy
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posted March 16, 2000 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eddy   Click Here to Email eddy     Edit/Delete Message
I think I heard deca sometimes helps reduce joint akes (don't know, might look into it). Growth hormone is supposed to regenerate joints, ligaments, and tendons. Of course if it hurts that means something is wrong and you need to find out that before you do anything.
Here is a question I have wondered about for a wile wile on the subject. What would happen if you injected IGF-1 into a damaged, injured, or weak joint? Would this help rebuild it?

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MuscleTec
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posted March 16, 2000 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MuscleTec   Click Here to Email MuscleTec     Edit/Delete Message
Lay off the knee for a while. If you must work it. Try light lunges, rubberband exercises and make sure you try to keep the flexability in the knee.

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Y2Kylee
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posted March 16, 2000 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Y2Kylee   Click Here to Email Y2Kylee     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68011232
Neiko

What does NRI stand for??

Also, would the Stepper be better on the knee than running?

Cheers All

Y2Kylee

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rocky
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posted March 16, 2000 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rocky     Edit/Delete Message
MRI = Magnetic Resonance Imaging

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Rock_Man
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posted March 16, 2000 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rock_Man   Click Here to Email Rock_Man     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 8696614
Try this,

Sit in a chair. Interlace your fingers together. Then with palms facing in, pull against your knee (keeping them pressed consistantly against the front of the knee) Now extend or straighten your knee (still seated) with hands still pressed to the knee. If you feel any popping or crunching when doing this.... Go see your doctor! Good rule of thumb.

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dude
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posted March 17, 2000 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know if getting your knee scoped will help because I have had many friends do so with not too much improvement. First of all stop wrapping your knees because you are allowing your body to lift more weight than your knee joints can handle. Start using the smith machine to do squats that way it will be easier to keep your knees at 90 degree angles when you squat down to parallel. Also if you use the bike then put the pedal on your heel instead of your toes. Last but not least use the cross trainer or elliptical machine for your cardio and not the treadmill.

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doublehard
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posted March 17, 2000 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublehard   Click Here to Email doublehard     Edit/Delete Message
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egoman
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posted March 17, 2000 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for egoman   Click Here to Email egoman     Edit/Delete Message
try doing squats with your feet stright ahead and turned a little inward for a couple of weeks,you might be surprised.

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BIG HURT
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posted March 18, 2000 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BIG HURT   Click Here to Email BIG HURT     Edit/Delete Message
Lose the knee wraps. They are probably compressing the joint too much. Start over from the beginning on weights you can use comfortably,then gradually try to increase the poundages.
Don't squat with wraps EVER especially.OUCH!!! Way too much joint pressure

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MC
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posted March 18, 2000 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MC   Click Here to Email MC     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68012015
B-U-M-P

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Neiko
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posted March 18, 2000 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neiko   Click Here to Email Neiko     Edit/Delete Message
I have to agree with everyone who has posted to this question, but if you are going to take any advice take mine and go to the doc. Just to be sure that there is no underlying cause to your pain. I am saying this because going under the knife is the worst thing in the world!!!

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Gobler
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posted March 18, 2000 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gobler   Click Here to Email Gobler     Edit/Delete Message
Lose the jogging and biking for now, and take up swimming with fins. Leg extensions and squats no more than 70-80 degrees. Yah you can go to a doctor but unless you have a serious injury they wont do shit for your. And take glucosamine and condroitin sulfate.

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OMEGALOS
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posted March 18, 2000 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OMEGALOS   Click Here to Email OMEGALOS     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Gobler. However, the knee wrap issue, sorry to say, you need them for the heavier sets, JOINT PRESSURE?, try morelike they help support the joints infrastucture and stability. I use them on squats on every set after the first couple warm up sets, better safe than sorry. Why do you think all the great powerlifters use them???
Think they are stupid? They know what it takes to stay in the game for the long term. I agree however that you should not compromise form for weight and using the wraps as a crutch to do so is wrong. Back off for a while on all leg exercises AND cardio involving ANY impact, two or three weeks should do you, unless your in some real pain. Start back in light and gradually get up to more serioius weight over the course of a month or two. You are prob. just experiencing OVERUSE INJURIES.
All joint problems suck, Knee, wrist, elbows, low back, shoulder. Must allow time to recup, rebuild, and progressively get back to where you need to be and a bit further than before in time.....

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LOWE254
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posted March 18, 2000 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LOWE254   Click Here to Email LOWE254     Edit/Delete Message
Piankillers, heh heh! Just joking. I had the sam problem, I just stoped running all at once and it stoped! Walk don't run.

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BIG HURT
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posted March 18, 2000 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BIG HURT   Click Here to Email BIG HURT     Edit/Delete Message
I think,and I'm sure most will agree,that powerlifters use wraps for the sole purpose of the MAIN GOAL=To lift heavier weights.Just like they wear the bench shirts to up their bench presses a good 50 to sometimes over a hundred pounds.
Ditch the wraps,squat slow and let the MUSCLE do the work,not the wraps

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KANE
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posted March 18, 2000 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KANE     Edit/Delete Message
I had 3 knee surgeries including an ACL reconstruct as a result of my ill fated football career. After the ACL reconstruct I gave up on exercise and got fat and walked with a limp for 5 years. It got so bad I went to the doc.He removed scar tissue and cartilage and two weeks later I was running again. The moral of the story GO TO THE DOCTOR, I spent 5 years in pain because i didnt go. Try dropping squats for a while they always hury my bad knee.

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Y2Kylee
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posted March 19, 2000 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Y2Kylee   Click Here to Email Y2Kylee     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68011232
Thanks Guys!

*Y2Kylee*

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chestyII
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posted March 19, 2000 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chestyII   Click Here to Email chestyII     Edit/Delete Message
Knee wraps do work, even with a low weight. If you wrap your knees properly the wrap will help to draw some of the load out of the muscle/tendon tendon to bone connection. It works similar to a heat sink used in soldering. Yes, I do agree it can allow you to lift a bit more, but proper use of the wraps and a good rehabilitation plan can greatly speed recovery.

Second, a lot of tendon/joint problems can be corrected by generous and proper stretching and strengthining of the tendons. One of the biggest reasons power lifters remain in the game for so long and are some of the strongest people pound for pound is that they perform exercises specifically designed to strengthen the tendons. Remember, we are only as strong as our weakest link, and that is almost always the tendon and its connection to the bone.

It does not take alot of weight to or fancy exercises to strengthen ones tendons. But if you want to remain in the game and be the game you have to build all parts of the body not just the arms and chest etc.

Chesty

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BIGBADFKR
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posted March 19, 2000 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BIGBADFKR     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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Gobler
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posted March 20, 2000 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gobler   Click Here to Email Gobler     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Chesty, give some examples on tendon strengthening exercises

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