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 Marijuana.......any hinders??
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 12:30 PM
   I have been smoking occasionally for 3 years now and what I love about it, it just makes me eat, eat, eat. So far, I have loved the progress my body is making. As far as my brother goes, he smokes it as well, and he is in far better shape than me. Anyone here smoke it? Does it hinder anything? I was thinking it would be good when I'm on my cutting cycle with Clen. It'll help me sleep and night so I don't have the jitters and can't sleep. Comments? Villan IP: Logged |
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FLoridaFLexRx Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 51) |
posted March 15, 2000 12:37 PM
I smoked in hs and it made me fat cuz all id do was eat McDonalds on it. I havent smoked in two years and Eat like a champ. As far as hindering I don't know. I know a lot of my friends smoke before they d their leg workout because they say then can lift a considerable amount more while lit! I am curious to know if there are medical studies which show if it hinders. If you want to sleep get some renewtrient, GHB, or Valium. Nyquil does the trick on me IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 12:41 PM
Fuck going to the gym while stoned.....I'll be laughing to hard at all the little pussies struggling with their 20 lb. dumbells. I'll kicked out, I know it. But I usually only smoke socially. I never smoke by myself, but while on clen, if it'll help, I will do it so I can sleep. Becuase if I can't sleep, I won't grow. IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 12:46 PM
This is another reason why I wouldn't be able to go to the gym high....you know that goofy ass mother fucker that always comes in the gym, going 90 mph, doing excercises you've have never seen before (wondering what part of the body they work), and all those goofy faces he makes....with shorts pulled up to his chest and a pink headband....everybody has to have one like him in their gym....there is always that one that stands out..I would be rolling all over the place.....shit....I couldn't lift while high. I'm laughing about it now and I'm not even high. Villan IP: Logged |
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rocko Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 50) |
posted March 15, 2000 12:54 PM
I don't know if this is true or not but I've been told it can kill test levels. Research THC (active chemical) and let me know what you discover. IP: Logged |
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studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 334) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:00 PM
"It'll help me sleep"???? Come on bro. Fuck that shit. I don't see how it can help you any way other than sleep. Just drop that shit and take NyQuil or something to sleep. To tell you the truth, I can't stand people who smoke. They usually tend to be lazy, and stupid. No flame intended. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 377) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:03 PM
FloridaFlex.....man why are you advising people to take valium?? Do you know how addictive that shit is? Damn bro. To answer the question, maryJ increases estrogen levels. Not good while on a cycle. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 447) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:15 PM
Dianab..is right...it raises estrogen levels......this includes brewskies as well...not to mention the stress already on your liver....try melatonin for sleep. Ranger IP: Logged |
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Neiko Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:39 PM
If you need something that is going to sleep get some tylenol PM and or some unisom. Increasing your appetite get some liquid B-12 it should get your appetite going. Fuck that mary-j shit!!!!
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TSSA Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:50 PM
I tottaly agree with studcj, most of the people I know that do that shit are lazy welfare addicts, I would deffintely just quit that shit. nyquil works just fine.and it does fuck with your test levels. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 897) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:52 PM
cannabis does not actually raise estrogen levels- it itself has phytochemicals that are estrogenic- it has phytoestrogens- these are a defense mechanism of plants to reduce the fertility of their predators. thus smoking can reduce your production of testosterone, give you bitch tits- if done heavily enough, and make you store fat like a women- a gynoid fat storage pattern- but other than that and the laziness factor I dont see why it would affect you to much. BTW- GHB and its precursors are a better choice for sleep at night. however there is nothing really wrong with smoking though it may hinder your gains for the reasons above. Alcohol will hinder your gains by increasing aromatase production resulting in increased estrogen production through increased test conversion- it also puts a lot of strain on the liver. PEACE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:55 PM
Agh, but have you not seen pumping iron??? I don't think Arnold would appreciate you calling him lazy, rejected, or whatever you said Studcj. I have been smoking for 3 years and I don't see it affecting my gains nor my body. I defintely not lazy. My personal preference shouldn't be a source for you to judge me. A lot of my friends do it, a lot of my friends don't, but by all means, my friends have their shit together. There has got to be other BBers in here that smoke occasionally, come on!!!! IP: Logged |
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mac Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted March 15, 2000 01:58 PM
Been waiting to read this question. I dought that anyone who has replied really competes. Try going to the gym twice a day and working 40 hours a week, not easy. Don't drink, don't go out late, just stay in and eat every night and play sega. I realize that there are negatives, increases estrogen levels, etc., but it keeps me sane! As for eating McDonalds, don't have any bad food in your house and stay strict on your diet. I do stop 8-10 weeks out from a show but I switch to ghb. Not condoning, probably trying to justify it to myself. Anyone want to bang a leg workout, smoke, eat and play Dreamcast? BTW, girls love to smoke. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 897) |
posted March 15, 2000 02:02 PM
they smoked because they did not know about GHB-which helps you sleep and even helps you gains a little-this is still a fact in dispute- however even if it does not have positive effects with respect to gains it has no negative ones-cannabis does- STILL- a lot of guys smoke to relax or sleep as long as you are not doing it all day it probably wont hinder your fat loss/muscle gains too much-maybe not even noticeablly- though on some level they will hinder them ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 342) |
posted March 15, 2000 02:12 PM
This topic is a big one for me. Pot pisses me off bigtime. Sure.. it helps prevent your bodies production of testosterone... if you smoke heavy, by up to 95% from the reports I read while in the Police Academy. But Mac already gave the scientific points. I even have a People Who Smoke Pot Suck shirt, that I wear to parties to watch all the candy ass pot smokers look to the floor when they read it, because they're too scared of me to look me in the eye. It's funny as shit. I'm not flaming anyone on this board, mind you. This is my opinion. But I can't stand the shit. You ever beat the ass out of someone on Pot? Funner than beating up a drunk person. Because they still feel they have it all together because "pot doesn't fuck you up" right? It's a hoot. I agree with StudJC when it comes to the whole thing. I'll shoot a gram of test for 4 weeks... have someone smoke pot everyday for 4 weeks... and we'll see who's drug is better. I can't stand the shit. In my opinion it's for weak people with weak minds. Again... not wanting to start a fight. Not wanting to flame anyone inparticular. Chicks who do it aren't ladies. Men who do it are weak. Beating up potsmokers is like a hobby for me in the summer. I can pick a fight with a room full of guys who are smokin' it... and none of 'em seem to say anything. But they'll talk shit about me after I leave, and say how lucky I am they didn't kick my ass. Oh well. Thanks for letting me rant guys. The shit really pisses me off. IP: Logged |
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roadruler Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted March 15, 2000 02:13 PM
I was about to ask the same question thats funny. But ya i smoke, i think its the best recreational drug. If i'm really stressin i smoke a bowl and i'm not stressed any more. It's also helps me go to sleep. However i wouldn't smoke while juicin. I went to the gym once or twice stoned. once i felt good and had a real good workout and another time i just dragged. So i decided not to smoke up before lifting. IP: Logged |
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MC Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted March 15, 2000 02:22 PM
I am certain it has been proved that smoking kills your test levels - the THC all but prevents any growth. If you are growing while smoking - then kick the habit and get MASSIVE! I gave up three years ago - eating better, training harder - and getting bigger. Stressed? Then do GHB - it calms you down and helps you grow - what more do you need? Later MC IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 02:26 PM
Big Bro Val, hey man, we aren't looking for your negative thoughts. I agree totally with mac....I do believe it hinders me in some way, but not enough to notice anything. I ended my flatbench set with 345 x 4 last night and I smoke occasionally. Not all the time. That's pretty good for 6 foot 200 pounder with 10.7 % bodyfat. BTW, it's not about who's drug is better either. I am not comparing the two. It's your kind of attitude that gets people in trouble who are trying to use AS in a reasonable and non abusive way. Also, I can tell from your attitude eventually you'll get what's coming to ya. Chill out man. You go to parties and walk around like your king trying to tell people what to do, thinking EVERYONE is scared of you for some reason....eventually the little guy in the corner will be irritated by your actions and beat the living piss out of you in front of everyone. If not him, somebody will. Be a nice guy and keep your negative thoughts to yourself. Believe me, I have seen happen over and over again. People with your attitude looking for fights and shit will one day be your demise. I promise you that. It happened to me. Use your head. Villan IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 02:30 PM
BTW Val.... I know it's hard to believe and that you'll be biting your pillow all night because I said this, but there IS somebody BIGGER and BADDER than YOU out there pal. Sorry to bother you, you can get back on your high horse and ride away.
P.S. I will show just as much respect as someone shows me. Be a nice guy. IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 342) |
posted March 15, 2000 04:07 PM
Villan, as if something you say would affect me. Read my post again. I was voicing my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, kiss my ass. You don't have to agree with it. Yes... there are guys that are bigger and stronger than me. I know that. I see 'em in the gym. No one has beat me yet... and I'm sure it will happen. In fact I know it will. I use AS responsibly, so I don't know what your point is on that. This is a DISCUSSION BOARD, right? So I was discussing. It was my opinion. I can voice it. NEgative or not. I'm sorry if you disagree. but I don't give a damn if you do. So smoke away... and hold yourself back. If you have a problem with me... well then... it's just that. Your problem. But don't try and get ugly. I wasn't pointing you out. But don't get too close... or my "high horse" will shit on you. Sorry, guys. I didn't mean to offend anyone. No flames to anyone, okay? With the acception to one of course. IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 04:32 PM
oops, nasty. IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 342) |
posted March 15, 2000 04:34 PM
Valerie? Dear? Pillow biting? Hmmm... sounds like someone has a little complex here. Relax. Open your mind up. I didn't say I was better than you did I? Did I insult you personally? No. Sounds like insecurity to me. I never said I was better than anyone. Just like beating up potsmokers. That's it. That's all. You wanna talk to me... email me. Keep your shit off the board, deal? This'll be my last response to this lame string of yours. Nice name calling by the way. Good one. That really hurt. Grow the fuck up. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 897) |
posted March 15, 2000 04:51 PM
please try not to attack each other personally- both of you obviously have strong opinions which you should voice but you should voice them civilly. BTW- however VAL I will have to say that beating up on people just because they are smaller than you and smoke pot does seem a little bit off kilter- I mean if they say something and then you engage in fistycuffs, grappling or whatever that would seem fine but straight up "pot bashing" seems uncalled for. VILLAN your name calling was not helpful either. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 04:51 PM
Like I said, if it doesn't affect you, then quit saying stuff. It's your kind and violent attitude that give AS a bad name. :rolleyes: IP: Logged |
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LOWE254 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 61) |
posted March 15, 2000 04:53 PM
Well I guess that answered you question! Just say "nope to the dope" And stick to "good" drugs such as AS! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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nariclas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted March 15, 2000 05:00 PM
Stick just to AS man.. BBs are more than pot smokers IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 05:21 PM
Sorry Mac, I'll be the first to apologize. I have much respect for any who has respect for me. Sorry Val, just don't judge me by my personal preferences. IP: Logged |
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mrjeremy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted March 15, 2000 05:26 PM
villian, i say do what you want.. if your body starts to react negative, then stop using one or the other. dont listen to these clowns they are too full of anger and confusion to give you a straight answer.. as far as scientific data vs ethics listen to macrophage he's on the right track.. everything in moderation right? IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 342) |
posted March 15, 2000 06:08 PM
I'm not judging anyone. Again... I didn't mean to directly bash anyone. Mac, I agree. It doesn't seem like a real good reason to most people to start a fight. I don't beat up people because they are smaller. Some are larger. Some are fat. Etc. It's not the body type. It's the drug. It's a long story, but Pot and Alcohol literally killed my first baby girl. So yeah... I hate it. Sorry to offend anyone at all. It's the substance I hate. Villan... take my advice on your email address. I'm not judging you. This board is the shit. The last thing I want is a bad reputation. Sorry to piss anyone off. I got off on a rant on the subject. It's a big thing to me. I'll keep it to myself next time. IP: Logged |
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B Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 91) |
posted March 15, 2000 06:35 PM
Yo Big Brother Val, It's obvious that this is a very personal issue to you because of you little girl so DO NOT keep it to youself. As you said it yourself it is your opinion. As for me I have never smoked pot nor will I ever. But dont keep things bottled up inside 'cause things just get worse if you do that. Peace Bro. "B" IP: Logged |
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abc-29 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted March 15, 2000 07:10 PM
big bro val: i'm sure your sad about your girl, but dont bring more uglyness into the world because of a bad thing. maybe those guys who's asses you kick have baby girls who they loved who died too. Violence will not take out your sorrow. It will just inflict your sorrow on others. IP: Logged |
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BIGBADFKR Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 70) |
posted March 15, 2000 08:16 PM
bro stick with AS, if you want to increase your appitite, get some b12, and inject that twice a week. it does the trick for me. IP: Logged |
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted March 15, 2000 11:14 PM
A bad reputation is attained only by the actions of those who have the reputation. It's nobody elses fault. And no Val, you didn't piss me off and no need to apologize. I would feel frusteration too if I knew your story. But people who smoke weed now are not by all means at fault for your sadness.... IP: Logged |
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FLoridaFLexRx Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 51) |
posted March 15, 2000 11:39 PM
Just take a g-d damn cap of G! Sorry about the valium comment guess i wasn't thinking. Nyquil has alcohol, enough to hinder gains? IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 157) |
posted March 16, 2000 05:18 AM
This is an odd thread. I used to smoke a lot of pot and hash, and the amounts I smoked definitely hindered my gains and totally wiped out my discipline. I don't judge anyone for recreational use, and I hit the bong once in a while (a couple times or so a year) without any adverse effects other than a craving for donuts. I also like to drink on a social basis, and I've been known to take a toot now and then as well. The problem arises when any of these things take over your life. I agree w/ Val, potheads just piss me off, not because they smoke pot, but because they have chosen a lifestyle that I feel lacks discipline and because the bulk of the ones I've met seem to espouse mysticism as opposed to empiricism. I don't beat them up, though, unless they pick a fight with me (they're generally too lazy to do so). I would never go back to smoking it regularly, because I'm so naturally lazy that I would never get in the gym if I did. I also wouldn't want to do anything tnat might affect my judgment adversely. If you can do it recreationally and still have the discipline to live your life and put in your gym time, then I don't think there's a problem IP: Logged |
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