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 Gain 30lbs muscle without AS...NO WAY!!
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Cannonball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted March 11, 2000 05:00 PM
  
I recently watched a video from the EAS Company that featured their National bodybuilding contest in which they had thousands of entries. The video featured the ten finalists, their lives, regimins, and diets. It showed real before and after photos and for all intense and purpose seemed legit. My real problem is that some of these contestants went from being over weight by as much as 30 lbs. to showing up three months later having lost all 30 lbs. of fat while puting on 30lbs. of muscle. Several of the men looked so cut and big having used "ONLY" EAS suplementation that I was just beside myself with disbelief. HEY, REALLY BIG GUYS, have you ever been a witness to this kind of metamorphisis? Is it really possible. Please note that they were all erquired to take a lie detector test as to the legitimacy of NOT using the juice, in which two of the really big guys failed but still maintained that they had not used. The CEO and Owner decided to throw out the lie detector tests as two of the other contestants failed the name part of it. Personally I've been working out and eating right and taking supplements now for 8 months and have not yet experienced such results as these. Has anyone here experienced such results as these or been witness to a fellow body builder who has WITHOUT using the juice? Just seeking a reality check here, thanks. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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onlythestrong Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted March 11, 2000 05:05 PM
I used to use every supplement out on the market and threw away hundreds of dollars on that junk with no results. Gear is the only real thing to make quick gains, one good supplement after juicing that seems to work well is tribulus and dhea. IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 186) |
posted March 11, 2000 05:14 PM
only over a large span of time.....there are some genetic freaks out there that are able to make incredible gains, but are few and far between.....everyone I ever encountered making nice gains and progress were anabolic....I gained 35lbs naturally over 7 mos of lifting, but not all muscle, and that was at a young age when the hormones were running wild.....those infomercials and vids are horseshit and all about making money, makes me sick when I see those testamonials that play on the unsuspecting and un-informed....these companies get away with lying all the time.... IP: Logged |
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deltman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted March 11, 2000 05:22 PM
I agree with you totally on this. I have the tape that you are speaking of and I have used EAS products almost exclusively for the last year. Although I have made excellent progress, and lost quite a bit of bodyfat and built some muscle during this time.............it wasn't anywhere close to 30 pounds! I feel that EAS has great products,(although high priced) and you can make a dramatic change in your physique, but I have come to realize the only way to get over my plateau is to try the juice. Looking to get started in a couple of weeks. GOOD POST! David IP: Logged |
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Cannonball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted March 11, 2000 05:23 PM
thanks for responding Heeman and Strong, anybody else have any commentary on the possibilities of this video representing the truth? BUMP ------------------ IP: Logged |
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CB38AC Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 58) |
posted March 11, 2000 05:40 PM
30 pounds is possible without gear! If you work hard enough and eat ok then it is not that hard. I put on 33 pounds in under 3 mounth naturally. IP: Logged |
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Cannonball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted March 11, 2000 06:05 PM
Not that I doubt you CB but I don't believe that there is anybody on this board that has worked harder in the gym than I do. I have lost over 30lbs of fat and am enjoying my new look. I also take supplements. If you are for real then perhaps you have before and after pics of this extraordinary accomplishment of yours. I'd really be interested to see them. Please forward them to my email address. If not then I guess we will just have to take your word for it but it does seem alittle far fetched even still... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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GQ Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted March 11, 2000 06:20 PM
Yeah, packin' on 30lbs of lean muscle naturally in a few months is pretty questionable. Any of you guys see the movie American History X? Edward Norton's physique is pretty impressive in that film, especially compared to what he looked like before. I read an interview in which he said he put on 30lbs of solid muscle in 3 months for the movie just by working hard and drinking a lot of protein shakes. I don't know, did you see him in Fight Club? Looks like somebody forgot to take their clomid! GQ IP: Logged |
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dahmer Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18) |
posted March 11, 2000 07:34 PM
Hey Cannonball, I assume you were watching "Body of Work"?? I have also seen this and it makes me laugh. I think you are talking about Jeff Steadmen(excuse the spelling) Did you see his fucking peaks?? They are bigger then Bill Phillips!!! This in 3 months??? On rawdog??? He admitted to taking the good stuff in the past, but swears he hasn't for the contest. Let them do a drug test and see who fails!!! There is no way he got that large from EAS products only!!!Hell, even Bill admits to still taking Deca. He says it is good for the joints and in moderation it is good for you. Lifting without juice is hard work, but eventually you come to a max and you just can't get any larger. That is when the good stuff comes into play. It helps break through to the next level. That movie was a little misleading. There is at least 4 of those guys who have juiced at least once before. Phosphagen and Myoplex just won't get you that size. As far as Ed Norton in American History X, I think he hit something also. For him to get that size in such a short time requires some help. He was puny!!! No size whatsoever. He had zero definition. If he did it all natural why is he back to normal size again??? The scene where he just curbstomped the car thief, when he put his hands over his head, he looked prtty large. At least alot larger then he is now. You should go check out "Body for Life" It is a little more believable. IP: Logged |
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Gtn-Big2 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted March 11, 2000 08:02 PM
I think that it is possible. I started lifting and eating right Dec. 8th weighing in at a 'whole' 135 pounds. As of now I am 154 Mar 11. I take creatine, multi-vitamins, vitamin c, protein shakes. I have work out any where from 5 to 6 days a week (depending on what routine I am on). I also do not have any pics to back this up...so guess you will just have to take my word on it...no reason for to me make this up. AND, just for the record...guys at work all say I am on 'juice'....cuz I have gained so much, so fast! I also gave up smoking, so that has to have some affect, too! Have never used 'juice', but I figure one day I will ... btw am 31 IP: Logged |
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Slim Whitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted March 11, 2000 08:21 PM
I don't know about all that EAS stuff. I've never been that fond of their products. Everytime I see someone buy something from EAS and their jacked up prices, it makes me sick thinking its going in that fags pocket. As far as Ed Norton goes, I wouldn't be that suprised if he did do it naturally. He was a little anerexic geek like me many years ago. I used some of Pro-Performances stuff way back and I made some very nice gains with it, but so would any Ethopian!!! My little brother was all strung out on coke, and when he entered a juvenile Boot Camp program in Detroit he weighed 130lbs. 6 months later when he was free he weighed 220lbs and was huge!!! NO weights or drugs at all, just about 2000 push ups, sit ups, and pull ups is all he did a day. So to me anything is possible... Slim IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 835) |
posted March 11, 2000 08:23 PM
it is very possible to put on thirty pounds in several months- though not all muscle HOWEVER- there are certain conditions that must exist for that to be possible. people who have a large natural bodymass and are tall can put on that much weight. I think what is more important to look at than actual weight is the increase percentage wise in mass. if you wiegh 180 at 5'9 putting on 30 lbs of mass is much harder than if you are 180 and 6'2. there are a lot of factors that might make this possible- layoff from training, recovering weight lost from illness- or even underfeeding. however if you have been training for any reasonable period of time and are of normal genetics and frame and have been eating right- it would be very difficult to put on 30 lbs in 3 months- to put on 30lbs of muscle would be most likely impossible. Just my opinion ------------------ IP: Logged |
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pumped21 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted March 11, 2000 08:39 PM
I think that whole contest is bullshit. I have used tons of EAS products and never got results like that, the only thing it gave me was a thin wallet. From now on I an buying the only supplement worth the money..gear. And the government can kiss my needle injected ass. IP: Logged |
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Gobler Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 102) |
posted March 11, 2000 08:49 PM
At best the film is motivating, Any body who watches the film and thinks their gonna get similar results is gonna be let down big. Just do like all these supplement models do. Get on juice and tell everybody your taking creatine, prohormones, glutamine, dhea, whey protein and all that other crap. No wonder these supplement compamies are making so much dough!! IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 243) |
posted March 12, 2000 02:12 AM
what they do is they find someone who used to be really muscular but who hasn't worked out in a few years. then they get him to work out again and diet. you can gain muscle faster through muscle memory than you can through steroids. my arm grew 7/8 of an inch in a week due to muscle memory. I didn't gain any original muscle, but i gained back all my lost muscle. That is how those guys gain 30 lbs. in a few months. when i gained 7/8, i only worked arms and ate 200 g of protein a day. I didn't force myself to eat either. you ever had a craving for something, like tacos or pizza. my body actually craved protein so i was eating 200 g a day without trying to. Not even anadrol will build muscle as quickly as muscle memory can. IP: Logged |
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Cannonball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted March 12, 2000 02:25 AM
Very interesting Joseph_Stalin, muscle memory I did not realize the truth of that knowledge until you shared it, thank you. I believe that that is a very good possibility of what could have transpired. Some of the biggest guys had done steriods in the past and had worked out before. Thanks again bro. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 119) |
posted March 12, 2000 02:36 AM
Many people have made great gains training naturally. It's certainly possible. Before and after pictures can be very misleading, however. Lighting, tan, whether or not the subject is shaved; all these things can make a huge difference. It is also easier to attain a level of muscularity that one has reached in the past than to gain new muscle. The EAS before and after photos are a joke. Bill Phillips is a fraud and his "contests" are an insult to the intelligence of most thinking bodybuilders. IP: Logged |
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Lqdmscle Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted March 12, 2000 10:10 AM
I agree with macrophage. To put on 30lbs of muscle in 3 months is very hard. Especially natural. If an idividual can put on 30lbs in 3 months, then why isn't he on stage competing against the top pros? The average guy on juice gain about 5-10lbs a year of pure muscle. Shit! 30lbs of pure muscle with juice is hard enough, let alone naturally. What a liar! Don't insult my intelligence EAS! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 420) |
posted March 12, 2000 11:20 AM
Bodybuilding stories and fairy tales are the same...one starts out...once upon a time, and the other starts out...you ain't gonna believe this shit Bro! I personally think Cybergenics is the way to go for 30lbs. of lean muscle mass!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAA !!! Ranger IP: Logged |
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Slim Whitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted March 12, 2000 11:47 AM
I agree with macrophage. My little brother put on an enormous amount of mass in a 6 month period, but his body had been wasting away due to drug use. Now, stick him in an environment that optimizes training, discipline, and the adsence of fatty or non-nutritional foods, and lo and behold, you have a new person. But my brother also has very good genetics and a 6'4" frame. When I first started using AS i was in OK shape, and made huge gains with my first cycle. But eventually they taper off. With my clothes on, I do not look a whole lot different at 190lbs than I do at 215 (slept off 3 pounds last night!!) but at 6'7", that extra mass has a larger area to distribute itself. Who's to say with all the free supplements, a diet planned by proffesionals, and working with a personal trainer, my little brother couldn't have received the same results,maybe more for his wasting body. Nothing is impossible, but highly unlikely naturally. EAS products aren't that good!!!! Slim IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted March 12, 2000 01:27 PM
I put on 30 lbs muscle in under 4 months. total was 55 lbs in two years all natural, I started my first cycle a month ago and I am now 230lbs IP: Logged |
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DoctorSavage Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted March 12, 2000 05:15 PM
Two young guys I have been training have more than doubled their lean body mass in under a year each. It sounds pretty amazing, but it's true. Both of them started out right around 8 1/2lbs, and pretty chubby. Through the use of breast milk and similac formula (the ultimate supliment) Each of these guys doubled their body weight in under 6 months. Both maintained a slightly higher bf% than might be desired, but what the hell. I think it's pretty good. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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susthead Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted March 12, 2000 05:23 PM
ok first off the people here who say they have gained over 35 pounds naturally in 4 months how much is fat 60% id say as for body of work total fucking bs. end of story eas pay experianced body builders like of 10 years. to stop training and fatten up for 4-6 months and then work with them on there nutrition and training for 4 months and get them looking like they did before again simple everybody as that muscle memory. like when you do gear and look shit hot while ya on , when your off you dont look so good because your body doesnt have the test to deal with that size but when you go back on it comes back in like 2 weeks and you make even more gains. its all to do with muscle memory .
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Gobler Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 102) |
posted March 12, 2000 05:35 PM
Hahahah!!! Great post Dr Savage. As for supplement companies such as Eas, I think mojority rules, Their all full of shit. IP: Logged |
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JUICESEEKER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted March 12, 2000 09:25 PM
THE JUICE IS THE ONLY WAY!! END OF STORY!!! IP: Logged |
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CB38AC Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 58) |
posted March 12, 2000 09:56 PM
I really put on 33 pounds in 3 mounth naturally using 30 grams of protien every 3 hours, slleping 10 hours a night, taking glutamine, vitamine c, creatine, and working hard. I may be hard to believe but i had a nice 6 almost 8 pack. it was after only 6 mounth lifting but i did it...oh yeah i was 15 hehe IP: Logged |
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fuknguns Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted March 12, 2000 10:18 PM
Ok here is what I know.... I started lifting April of 98. Exactly one year from the first day I stepped foot into a gym I did my first contest. In one year(not 3 months), I went from 263lbs and 33% to 193 and 7%BF for the first contest. The reality of it is I did loose 70 lbs and an ass load of bodyfat. But It took me a year of working out every day with cardio. Fellas I'm as natural as they come, but lets get real, when I get ready for a show now I start out around 225-230lbs and 12-13%BF and cut down over 12 weeks to 195-198lbs and 5-5.5%BF.(This contest April 1st 2000 looks more like 4.5%) I also loose a little muscle in the process. I'm not going to ramble on any more but the bottom line is I was an extremely deticated, hardcore and driven person and still to start out with 30lbs of fat and end up with a conversion of 30lbs of muscle. NO FUCKIN WAY!!! I did the math, so should Bill Phillips(He's an ass monkey anyway.) Good luck bro, and the thing to always remember is the only reason to do AS is if you have already reached your max natural potential. fuknguns IP: Logged |
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halfcutz Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 47) |
posted March 13, 2000 12:12 AM
Well, this summer when i started lifting, and eating right I put on about 25-30, and dropped my bodyfat to around 9%. I think that is because at about the same time my body was peaking in testosterone production, I started eating right, taking creatine, and andro, trib, protein, and vitamins. I lifted pretty heavy and was very dedicated. I got really lucky I think, I mean there was a lot of hard work, and educating myself envolved, but it came together. I think it might be possible to get these gains, if you are 19 or 20 years old, never really been dedicated to lifting, and never taken supplements before. Pretty much you have to be starting at the bottom. Later, Bro IP: Logged |
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Cannonball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted March 13, 2000 08:07 AM
I'm impressed at the number of comments both for and against. I think Halfcutz may be on to something as far as young natural bodybuilders go though. Perhaps it would be more possible for an 18 - 20 year old who is in the peak of test production, and is taking lots of creatine, protien, and other nutritionals to be able to produce a one time jump in muscle mass to attain a thirty or so lb. jump. Also I think many of the responses siting muscle memory may be the way the bbs in the film did it considering that they were all older. Thanks for all the input. I do believe that between muscle memory, young test, and good photography, we have uncovered the truth of these type videos. Thanks guys...again ------------------ IP: Logged |
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snapdragon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted March 13, 2000 08:39 AM
Beginners can make pretty good gains but I would question a serious lifter gaining that much on supps. The only time I've ever seen creatine do that is when a guy was a juicer before and he hasn't done shit for workouts in years. It seems to work better for those guys--just a personal observation. I doubt that even the guys in those videos did. They prolly gained 15lbs or so of muscle and just lost alot of fat. Unless they were all tested at some facility on the same equipment I wouldn't trust the numbers on that. IP: Logged |
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