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Busy_Mind
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 26)
posted March 10, 2000 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Busy_Mind   Click Here to Email Busy_Mind     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Bros! I'm gonna start a cycle, 1st one!! LOL I would appreciate your expertiese and critique to further enhance my cycles affects and results. Okay, enough with the scribble scrabble mumble jumble, let's jump to it..

I'm 19y/o, 214lbs. at 5'9", about 17% BF(really not sure about current BF, so this is my estimate;poor eh), body type=endomorph
Like a bouncer type, but with alittle extra bodyfat that needs to be done away with.

Yes I'm younger than probably most you pros here, but I know my shit, and am NOT anything close to being as dumb as most of these newbies! I've been around for quite awhile.

So here goes my cycle:

Objective: To lose alittle bodyfat in this cycle, but mostly concentrating on putting on lots of freaky lean mass, and to get my abs showing more.

Wk SUST DECA DBOL HALO
1...750.. 200.. 20....--
2...500.. 400.. 30....--
3...500.. 400.. 35....--
4...500.. 400.. 30....--
5...500.. 400.. 20....--
6...500.. 400.. --....20
7...500.. 400.. --....25
8...500.. 400.. --....30
9...250.. 400.. --....25
10..---.. 200.. --....20

50mg of Clomid EOD throughout whole cycle, and weeks 11 at 50mg ED, 12 at 100mg ED, and 13 at 50mg ED.

I don't have any of the gear yet, cuz I need to first finalize this to perfection, so I know what and how much of it to get.

NOW questions that I have about this:

Where can I fit Clen in there? And how much of it?

Do I need Nolvadex for the Deca just in case? Or something else? (to prevent gyno)

And last but not least, Can I do alittle Clen and T3 acouple weeks before starting this cycle to get some BF off ahead of time?

That's all.
Sorry for making it so long.
Any help and critique would be great!!!
I really appreciate anything you guys have to say about any/all this(assuming its good and no pun!)

Thanks in advance =)
Dave aka 'Big D'

[This message has been edited by Busy_Mind (edited March 10, 2000).]

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Busy_Mind
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 26)
posted March 10, 2000 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Busy_Mind   Click Here to Email Busy_Mind     Edit/Delete Message
BUMP THE SHIT OUTTA THIS TIL I GET SOME HELP! lol


BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP

Big D

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E2
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posted March 10, 2000 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
Busy i like the cycle,

Why not pop the first weeks' deca to 400, take care of your liver on this, make sure you're taking all your liver helpers.

Pop the clen at the end after the cycle, do three weeks of clen and then switch to eca.

The novaldex wont' do anything agains the progesterong from the deca, i might think about switching the halo with winny.

Of course you can do clen and t3 before, some people use t3 during cycles and say that it helps with the gains, i've never done it so i cna't say.

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GldnChld
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 10, 2000 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GldnChld   Click Here to Email GldnChld     Edit/Delete Message
Looks great bro, here is an idea for you to throw in the mix, I did this with my sust. I stuck 500 for 2 wks up to 750 for 4 wks and back down to 500 for 2wks. I gained 25lbs from just the sust. But we all are different and this may not work for you. Good luck bro and watch the liver.

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Busy_Mind
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 26)
posted March 10, 2000 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Busy_Mind   Click Here to Email Busy_Mind     Edit/Delete Message
E2..I knew you would like Bro, I saw quite afew of your posts giving your advice for recommended Sust dosages, so I concluded with these figures, and I like them!
So that's how I'll keep it, and I'll bump the Deca up for the first week also.
Thanx Bro, you're the Man!

Gld..I first though about prymiding the Sust like you did, but I decided to do it this way. I might try that though next cycle, it sounds pretty affective! Thanks man

I'm not even done researchin for and modifying this cycle yet, so I'm all ears for as much help and advice and suggestions I can get!

How's my Dbol look, any changes?

Thanks again guys for your help, I'm going to start making changes!

Big D

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Busy_Mind
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 11, 2000 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Busy_Mind   Click Here to Email Busy_Mind     Edit/Delete Message
BUMP THE SHINY SHIT OUTTA THIS THREAD!

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Busy_Mind
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 13, 2000 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Busy_Mind   Click Here to Email Busy_Mind     Edit/Delete Message
Anymore help and critique guys?


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Cannonball
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 13, 2000 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cannonball   Click Here to Email Cannonball     Edit/Delete Message
What exactly is your end goal to achieve on this type cycle? Considering your age, I would think that you could get major results from a cycle that is a lot less aggressive. Your test level should already be peaking. With the proper diet and supplementation, you should be able to get major results without the juice. Perhaps you will go ahead anyways as it seems your mind is already set. But I would recommend skipping the juice for your own health until you were at least 22 years old. If I could go back to 19 again I can tell you that I wouldn't just hop on the juice bus to get quick results. It just seems to me that perhaps you want the look without all the time and effort of investing in a gym. Nothing in life is that easy or fast without some draw backs. However if I'm wrong and you've been in the gym for at least 1 - 2 years already, and tend to have low test levels, and want a jump start then this may be a better way to go. Also it would be a lot LESS expensive. Get some feed back about using Omnedren250 on a 6 week cycle with Dbol at a 20, 30,30,20 10 per with Chlomid EOD and then 100mg ending week with 50mg on week 8. While this cycle won't blow you up, IT WILL, trim off the fat while strengthing up and toning that hidden muscle that you've been working on. It also has minimal side effects so you will sleep easier. Being a smart BB is just as important as being a big one!!!

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Bust a Ball & Grow Big

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DianaBallBusta
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 13, 2000 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DianaBallBusta   Click Here to Email DianaBallBusta     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 65057870
HIT THE D-BOL HARD BRO!! I love hitting the d-bol hard in the beginning then tapering down. Do 35-30-30-20-20. That will work nice. Take week9 sust and throw it onto week2 so you start out heavy at 750 the first 2 weeks. And yea man this is a nice cycle.

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Get Juiced and Stay Loyal

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Busy_Mind
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 13, 2000 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Busy_Mind   Click Here to Email Busy_Mind     Edit/Delete Message
Cannonballs...Thanks for your words, I have taken them in consideration, but if I'm going to do a cycle its going to go alittle longer than 6 weeks, and it IS going to be slightly aggressive, cuz mama didn't raise up no pussy! Everything is going to be planned out and set right. I don't hope to get big in very little time with little effort and think I'm going to look like dorian yates the next day, hell no. I hope to gain some good looking mass, then cut it up abit, and gain some discipline from this cycle! Nothing special. I don't soley depend on just gear bro, my diet, workouts, and alot of other aspects are all apart of reaching such goals!!! But thanks for making me see the light that has already passed me by, I have thought about alot of things before making the decision to go on my first cycle...matter a fact I'm still thinking, and I'm still researching..I'm gonna make my first cycle the very best one!


DBB....Thanks Bro, I think I might do that. But I want to keep my liver on the safe side, between this and the Halo...but I might cut the halo out all together.

If I was to fit winny in this cycle more towards the end, how would I go about doing that? Dosages?

Thanks Bros
Dave

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WarLobo
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 13, 2000 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
I was in a mood to flame a newbie on their first cycle, but I must same I am fricking impressed. So no flame.... Ah well, I'm sure I'll find some thread today

So for my .02 I would drop the halo. I do not like to stress the liver for more than five weeks with an oral. Up to you if you would rather take the dbol at the start, or maybe finish with winny. If you do go with the dbol hit it big at the start, I quit tapering up.... Can't find any reason to. Then I will back it down over the next five weeks. I also hit the sust hard up top, usually twice the level dose. So if your planning say 500mg, then I punch in a gram for the first week - spread out into two separate shots. But 750 would work for you as well. And again, same reasoning on the deca, zap it in at 400mg.

The ONLY other bit of advice I would give is to extend the cycle by four weeks and use primo only. I really love this as I seem to keep much more post cycle. On my next cycle, the only change I'm making is to toss in a six week T3 dose at the end. So it's Sust/deca/dbol/primo/T3. Should be interesting!

You may wish to look into Finistride to help prevent acne and hair loss.

I am a fan of clomid during the whole cycle. And a three week taper at the end. But it's up to you if you want to go that way - plenty of opinion on that on the boards.

Good luck.

Late

Lobo

p.s. Go get your fricking BF% measured before you start. How you going to know how much your gains were post cycle??? Ya bone head.... How that for a flame? I knew I could get SOMETHING in....

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WarLobo
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 14, 2000 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
bump fart

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