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el cubano
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posted March 09, 2000 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 61265596
sup bros, this was posted by BIGTITO a while back and i think he got it from elite fitness. this is very important info about test and the esters. new guys ..PLEASE read this over and over until you know it. thanks bigtito... peace bros.
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ELITE FITNESS ESTER REPORT

One of the most misunderstood subjects in the world of *******s is the ester--the
mechanism by which injectable esterified *******s like testosterone cypionate, testosterone enanthate, and Sustanon work. If you take a quick look around the Internet you will probably find countless articles that consider one form of a ******* far more effective than another. Arguments over the superiority of cypionate to enanthate, or Sustanon to all other testosterones are of course very common. Such arguments are in all practicality, baseless. In this report we'll take an authoritative look at the ester and what specifically it does to a
*******.

WHAT AN ESTER IS, AND HOW IT WORKS
I'm sure that if you have taken an interest in anabolic *******s you have noticed the
similarities on the labeling of many drugs. Let's look at testosterone for example. One can find compounds like testosterone cypionate, enanthate, propionate, heptylate; caproate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, decanoate, acetate, the list goes on and on. In all such cases the parent hormone is testosterone, which had been modified by adding an ester (enanthate, propionate etc.) to its structure. The following question arises: What is the difference between the various esterified versions of testosterone in regards to their use in bodybuilding?

An ester is a chain composed primarily of carbon and hydrogen atoms. This chain is typically attached to the parent ******* hormone at the 17th carbon position (beta orientation), although some compounds do carry esters at position 3 (for the purposes of this article it is not crucial to understand the exact position of the ester). Esterification of an injectable
anabolic/androgenic ******* basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent ******* from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will notably lower the water solubility of the *******, and increase its lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as it
is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach general circulation.

Slowing the release of the parent ******* is a great benefit in ******* medicine, as free
testosterone (or other ******* hormones) previously would remain active in the body for a very short period of time (typically hours). This would necessitate an unpleasant daily injection schedule if one wished to maintain a continuous elevation of testosterone (the goal of testosterone replacement therapy). By adding an ester, the patient can visit the doctor as
infrequently as once per month for his injection, instead of having to constantly re-administer the drug to achieve a therapeutic effect. Clearly without the use of an ester, therapy with an injectable anabolic/androgen would be much more difficult.

Esterification temporarily deactivates the ******* molecule. With a chain blocking the 17th beta position, binding to the androgen receptor is not possible (it can exert no activity in the body). In order for the compound to become active the ester must therefore first be removed. This automatically occurs once the compound has filtered into blood circulation, where
esterase enzymes quickly cleave off (hydrolyze) the ester chain. This will restore the necessary hydroxyl (OH) group at the 17th beta position, enabling the drug to attach to the appropriate receptor. Now and only now will the ******* be able to have an effect on skeletal muscle tissue. You can start to see why considering testosterone cypionate much more potent than enanthate makes little sense, as your muscles are seeing only free testosterone no matter what ester was used to deploy it.

ACTIONS OF DIFFERENT ESTERS
There are many different esters that are used with anabolic/androgenic *******s, but again, they all do basically the same thing. Esters vary only in their ability to reduce a *******'s water solubility. An ester like propionate for example will slow the release of a ******* for a few days, while the duration will be weeks with a decanoate ester. Esters have no effect on the tendency for the parent ******* to convert to estrogen or DHT (dihydrotestosterone: a
more potent metabolite) nor will it effect the overall muscle-building potency of the compound. Any differences in results and side effects that may be noted by bodybuilders who have used various esterified versions of the same base ******* are just issues of timing. Testosterone
enanthate causes estrogen related problems more readily than Sustanon, simply because
with enanthate testosterone levels will peak and trough much sooner (1-2 week release
duration as opposed to 3 or 4). Likewise testosterone suspension is the worst in regards to gyno and water bloat because blood hormone levels peak so quickly with this drug. Instead of waiting weeks for testosterone levels to rise to their highest point, here we are at most looking at a couple of days. Given an equal blood level of testosterone, there would be no difference in the rate of aromatization or DHT conversion between different esters. There is simply no mechanism for this to be possible.

There is however one way that we can say an ester does technically effect potency; it is
calculated in the ******* weight. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of testosterone enanthate for example, 250mg of esterified ******* (testosterone enanthate) is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester. If we wanted to be really picky, we could
consider enanthate slightly MORE potent than cypionate (I know this goes against popular
thinking) as its ester chain contains one less carbon atom (therefore taking up a slightly smaller percentage of total weight). Propionate would of course come out on top of the three, releasing a measurable (but not significant) amount more testosterone per injection than
cypionate or enanthate.

ESTER PROFILES
Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You
would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high
price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be
available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.

IN CONCLUSION
While the advent of esters certainly constitutes an invaluable advance in the field of anabolic ******* medicine, clearly you can see that there is no magic involved here. Esters work in a well-understood and predictable manner, and do not alter the activity of the parent ******* in any way other than to delay its release. Although the lure surrounding various *******
products like testosterone cypionate, Sustanon, Omnadren etc. certainly makes for interesting conversation, realistically it just amounts to misinformation that the athlete would be better off ignoring. Testosterone is testosterone and anyone who is going to tell you one ester form of this (or any) hormone is much better than another one should do a little more research, and a lot less talking.

Acetate: Chemical Structure C2H4O2.
Also referred to as Acetic Acid; Ethylic acid; Vinegar acid; vinegar; Methanecarboxylic acid. Acetate esters delay the release of a ******* for only a couple of days. Contrary to what you may have read, acetate esters do not increase the tendency for fat removal. Again, there is no known mechanism for it to do so. This ester is used on oral primobolan tablets
(metenolone acetate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) implant pellets, and occasionally
testosterone.

Propionate: Chemical Structure C3H6O2.
Also referred to as Carboxyethane; hydroacrylic acid; Methylacetic acid; Ethylformic acid; Ethanecarboxylic acid; metacetonic acid; pseudoacetic acid; Propionic Acid. Propionate esters will slow the release of a ******* for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected two to three times weekly. Testosterone propionate and methandriol dipropionate (two separate propionate esters attached to the parent ******* methandriol) are popular items.

Phenylpropionate: Chemical Structure C9H10O2.
Also referred to as Propionic Acid Phenyl Ester. Phenylpropionate will extend the release of active ******* a few days longer than propionate. To keep blood levels even, injections are given at least twice weekly. Durabolin is the drug most commonly seen with a phenylpropionate ester (nandrolone phenylpropionate), although it is also used with testosterone in Sustanon and Omnadren.

Isocarpoate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.
Also referred to as Isocaproic Acid; isohexanoate; 4-methylvaleric acid. Isocaproate begins to near enanthate in terms of release. The duration is still shorter, with a notable hormone level
being sustained for approximately one week. This ester is used with testosterone in the
blended products Sustanon and Omnadren.

Caproate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.
Also referred to as Hexanoic acid; hexanoate; n-Caproic Acid; n-Hexoic acid; butylacetic acid; pentiformic acid; pentylformic acid; n-hexylic acid; 1-pentanecarboxylic acid; hexoic acid;
1-hexanoic acid; Hexylic acid; Caproic acid. This ester is identical to isocarpoate in terms of atom count and weight, but is laid out slightly different (Isocaproate has a split configuration, difficult to explain here but easy to see on paper). Release duration would be very similar to
isocaproate (levels sustained for approximately one weak), perhaps coming slightly closer to enanthate due to its straight chain. Caproate is the slowest releasing ester used in Omnadren, which is why most athletes notice more water retention with this compound.

Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7H14O2.
Also referred to as heptanoic acid; enanthic acid; enanthylic acid; heptylic acid; heptoic acid; Oenanthylic acid; Oenanthic acid. Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in ******* manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate
compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, athletes will inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.

Cypionate: Chemical Structure C8H14O2.
Also referred to as Cyclopentylpropionic acid, cyclopentylpropionate. Cypionate is a very popular ester here in the U.S., although it is scarcely found outside this region. Its release duration is almost identical to enanthate (10-14 days), and the two are likewise thought to be interchangeable in U.S. medicine. Althletes commonly hold the belief than cypionate is more powerful than enanthate, although realistically there is little difference between the two. The enanthate ester is in fact slightly smaller than cypionate, and it therefore releases a small (perhaps a few milligrams) amount of ******* more in comparison.

Decanoate: Chemical Structure C10H20O2.
Also referred to as decanoic acid; capric acid; caprinic acid; decylic acid, Nonanecarboxylic acid. The Decanoate ester is most commonly used with the hormone nandrolone (as in Deca-Durabolin) and is found in virtually all corners of the world. Testosterone decanoate is also the longest acting constituent in Sustanon, greatly extending its release duration. The
release time with Decanoate compounds is listed to be as long as one month, although most recently we are finding that levels seem to drop significantly after two weeks. To keep blood levels more uniform, athletes (as they have always known to do) will follow a weekly injection schedule.

Undecylenate: Chemical Structure C11H20O2.
Also referred to as Undecylenic acid; Hendecenoic acid; Undecenoic acid. This ester is very similar to decanoate, containing only one carbon atom more. Its release duration is likewise very similar (approximately 2-3 weeks), perhaps extending a day or so past that seen with
decanoate. Undecylenate seems to be exclusive to the veterinary preparation Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), although there is no reason it would not work well in human-use preparations (Equipoise certainly works fine for athletes). Again, weekly injections are most common.

Undecanoate: Chemical Structure C11H22O2.
Also referred to as Undecanoic Acid; 1-Decanecarboxylic acid; Hendecanoic acid; Undecylic acid. Undecanoate is not a commonly found ester, and only appears to be used in the nandrolone preparation Dynabolan, and oral testosterone undecanoate (Andriol). Since this ester is chemically very similar to undecylenate (it is only 2 hydrogen atoms larger), it has a similar release duration (approximately 2-3 weeks). Although this ester is used in the oral
preparation Andriol, there is no reason to believe it carries any properties unique of other esters. Andriol in fact works very poorly at delivering testosterone, bolstering the idea that oral administration is not the idea use of esterified androgens.

Laurate: Chemical structure C12H24O2.
Also referred to as Dodecanoic acid, laurostearic acid, duodecyclic acid, 1-undecanecarboxylic acid, and dodecoic acid. Laurate is the longest releasing ester used in commercial ******* production, although longer acting esters do exist. Its release duration would be closer to one
month than the other esters listed above, although realistically we are probably to expect a notable drop in hormone level after the third week. Laurate is exclusively found in the veterinary nandrolone preparation Laurabolin, perhaps seen as slightly advantageous over a decanoate ester due to a less frequent injection schedule. Again athletes will most commonly inject this drug weekly, no doubt in part due to its low strength (25mg/ml or 50mg/ml).

Read up, enjoy and learn.


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2Thick
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posted March 09, 2000 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
Very informative...


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el cubano
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posted March 09, 2000 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 61265596
Dam you read quick!

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2Thick
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posted March 09, 2000 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
If there's something I learned in pre-med, it's how to read very quickly and to cram information into my head.

It's a bad habit that I cannot get rid of.

Jon

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macrophage69alpha
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posted March 09, 2000 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
entertaining- of course I have read it before- good job moving back up to the top though-

one problem though is that it does not discuss the wide variance in release patterns among different people with respect to the same esters- kinda glosses over it a bit. hey I gotta throw something into the pot.

props
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posted March 09, 2000 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chestyII   Click Here to Email chestyII     Edit/Delete Message
Very well said!

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2Thick
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posted March 09, 2000 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
Macro,

Do you always have to show off, or have you nothing better to do?

I feel like you were that guy in class that kept adding unrelated (but interesting) info whenever somebody else had the professor's attention.

Just messing with you�professor's pet�ha!

Jon

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BigBrute
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posted March 09, 2000 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigBrute     Edit/Delete Message
VERY informative, Thanks Cube!

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Tony
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posted March 09, 2000 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tony   Click Here to Email Tony     Edit/Delete Message
I've definitively printed that post! Good informations like that are very useful!
Gracias ombre!

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pumped21
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posted March 10, 2000 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pumped21   Click Here to Email pumped21     Edit/Delete Message
Why in the hell is the word "steroid" replaced with *******

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macrophage69alpha
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posted March 10, 2000 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
because he copied it of the rocks board- at least thats what it looks like- his program does that to the word steroids, and with some other words too- you know the bad ones.

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TexFlex
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posted March 10, 2000 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TexFlex   Click Here to Email TexFlex     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds good but would like to hear "G"s opin ion.

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posted March 10, 2000 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bignate73   Click Here to Email bignate73     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 65081685
thanks for bumping that out again. good reading, very relevant to what i was just reading bout. helped alot. peace.

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2Thick
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posted March 10, 2000 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
Macro,

I guess since you became a moderater, you are just too good to reply to my insults.

I thought you had a thicker skin than that. I guess not. I hope you are not going to cry...ha!

Bump...this is good reading.

Jon

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posted March 10, 2000 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 45Plates   Click Here to Email 45Plates     Edit/Delete Message
Good info.....BUMP

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2Thick
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posted March 10, 2000 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
Bump good reading...


Macro,

I demand a response....!


Jon

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tray renfro
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posted March 10, 2000 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tray renfro   Click Here to Email tray renfro     Edit/Delete Message
good info!

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2Thick
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posted March 10, 2000 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
bump


Everyone should know this.

Jon

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posted March 10, 2000 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Yah, sure, it's a good article...

BUT SUST KICKS ASS! BEST TEST THERE IS!

Just thought I would open that pandoras box... hehehe

Late

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posted March 10, 2000 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Ranger   Click Here to Email The Ranger     Edit/Delete Message
Good reading....Thanks!!!

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posted March 10, 2000 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mojo   Click Here to Email Mojo     Edit/Delete Message
Printed & Bump

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Read and learn...


Jon

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posted March 11, 2000 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bignate73   Click Here to Email bignate73     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 65081685
whoa...this one almost disappeared off the first page....so BUMP! good info here.

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