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yarddart
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 10)
posted March 08, 2000 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yarddart     Edit/Delete Message
I have some HCG I want to use for tapering off my cycle of Deca and Test Enanthate. I have never used HCG before and I just want to make sure I am using it right. I have 6 of the 2.500 IU amps (powder) and 6 of the solutions. I am curious about how to mix the two together and I was also wondering if it should be injected in the same syringe as my Deca. Thanks for any advice you can give.

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WarLobo
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
I have given up on HCG, only use clomid now.... Maybe I should re-post Animals thoughts on HCG.

LAte

Lobo

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E2
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posted March 08, 2000 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
I agree completely with animals thoughts on hcg, you should avoid it, there is no need for it, clomid will do the job.

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Joe Juicer
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Juicer   Click Here to Email Joe Juicer     Edit/Delete Message
I've got 10,000 IU of this shit... can anyone share their first hand negative experiences with HCG?

WarLobo, I'd like to read animal's thoughts on it if you could do that repost?

BTW, where is animal? Is anyone still in touch with him? It would be great to have him back on here!

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*** A 23 Gaugue Haiku ***
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airtyme
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posted March 08, 2000 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for airtyme   Click Here to Email airtyme     Edit/Delete Message
oil and water does not mix!

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"Fear is a darkroom where negatives develop!"

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WarLobo
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
I'll post it up tonight when I get home. Put it on it's own thread...

Late

Lobo

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45Plates
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 45Plates   Click Here to Email 45Plates     Edit/Delete Message
Go here and read the part on Nolvadex and Clomid. http://www.detn8.org/bb/docs/antiestrogens.html This should help to clear things up.

Stay big

Plates

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45Plates
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 45Plates   Click Here to Email 45Plates     Edit/Delete Message
War is this the site your were talking about?
(Good info)
Plates

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susthead
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for susthead   Click Here to Email susthead     Edit/Delete Message
hcg is ok get you going again does a diffrent job to clomid hcg fools your body into thinking you are still producing lh there for ya nuts doent shrink and stop producing test. hcg will give you a bit of acne on the chest and back tho use only 2500iu every five days . and follow with clomid.

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Dexter
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posted March 08, 2000 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dexter   Click Here to Email Dexter     Edit/Delete Message
Plates, thanks for that URL showing the article by Animal, "Antiestrogens, Never take HCG. And how to end a cycle!"

I gotta admit, though, it's left me with some confusion and some questions. I felt like I was back at college cramming for a chem exam and not getting very far.

Makes me want to try to find some Parabolan to taper my cycle (Deca-Omna-Primo)and scrounge up some RU486 to counter the Deca I'm taking.

"HGC: Bad"
Okay. No wait, I seem to recall an article by Bill Roberts talking about taking HCG mid-cycle. I also recall people talking about taking Nolvadex when taking HCG to counter the estrogen.

"Proviron: Bad"
I still can't decide how bad it is. I have some; haven't taken any. Okay, it's an AS. But how much does it really cut into one's gains, and would there be a benefit to taking small dosages?

"Clomit: Good"
Great. I have some. Taking it EOD until the end of the cycle, then I'll bump up the dosage.

"Don't taper with androgenic AS's; taper with a good non-aromatizing AS"...

Sheesh, time to go to bed. I'll look at that article again tomorrow.

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Dexter
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dexter   Click Here to Email Dexter     Edit/Delete Message
Plates, thanks for that URL showing the article by Animal, "Antiestrogens, Never take HCG. And how to end a cycle!"

I gotta admit, though, it's left me with some confusion and some questions. I felt like I was back at college cramming for a chem exam and not getting very far.

Makes me want to try to find some Parabolan to taper my cycle (Deca-Omna-Primo)and scrounge up some RU486 to counter the Deca I'm taking.

"HGC: Bad"
Okay. No wait, I seem to recall an article by Bill Roberts talking about taking HCG mid-cycle. I also recall people talking about taking Nolvadex when taking HCG to counter the estrogen.

"Proviron: Bad"
I still can't decide how bad it is. I have some; haven't taken any. Okay, it's an AS. But how much does it really cut into one's gains, and would there be a benefit to taking small dosages?

"Clomid: Good"
Great. I have some. Taking it EOD until the end of the cycle, then I'll bump up the dosage.

"Don't taper with androgenic AS's; taper with a good non-aromatizing AS"...

Sheesh, time to go to bed. I'll look at that article again tomorrow.

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WarLobo
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarLobo   Click Here to Email WarLobo     Edit/Delete Message
Yup, that's the one

LAte

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macrophage69alpha
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 08, 2000 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
there is considerable evidence that HCG upregulates aromatase- most likely through it mimimcry of FSH. Using it at the end of cycle where your nautral test is low and your estrogen relatively high- becuase of the upregulation of aromatase that your cycle has ineveitabley resulted through the course of your cycle, as a response to the increased levels of hormones, is a combination that can lead to GYNO- yes novaldex may help but the reason that clomid is superior is the fact that it stimulates the hypothalamus to produce LH restoring your own production while acting as an anti-estrogen as well. I however see no problem with using it mid cycle.

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Lqdmscle
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 15)
posted March 09, 2000 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lqdmscle   Click Here to Email Lqdmscle     Edit/Delete Message
Most in here don't like HCG. But I have used it in the past. After two weeks off your cycle, shoot it in you. For two weeks, then if you have clomid or cyclofenil, continue for another 3 weeks.
When mixing the solution together, don't use the whole 2cc's of liquid. Use 1cc of it only. This way, less to inject and less pain.

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THESAINT
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 11, 2000 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
macrophage69alpha, could you take tribulus
to restore LH and chrysin as an anti-
estrogen if you don't have access to
clomid etc.?

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