posted March 07, 2000 11:03 AM            

Late

Lobo

posted March 07, 2000 02:00 PM         

i have to tell u that if you want to push the limit with roids PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! push it w/ oil base injections!!
i frequently go up to 2000 mg test a week, but only will take 20 mg, of dboll (4 tabs) with that, and other oils like EQ, and decca. I personally would never take more then 2 anadrols a day too. And Ref B makes me barf after about 20 days so i use MELIC.
let me tell you success in bodybuilding is a LONG term thing. There is no shorcut.
btw..im 6 feet 265 =)~

posted March 07, 2000 02:54 PM            

Later,
giantset

posted March 07, 2000 03:07 PM            

Tell your twin that D-bol and Ref-B is a waste of money (and not to mention quite dangerous {in reference to other AS}). I would stick to the Test and Primo.

My reasoning goes a little like this...
Since you end up (a month after your cycle has ended) with the same lean body mass when you take D-Bol and Primo (at comparable dosages), I would assume the rapid gain and imminent loss of weight is highly detrimental to your physical and psychological facilities. Therefore, you are teasing yourself for no other reason than to be very strong for three weeks.

Yes, I understand that the extra water in the muscles leads to strength increases, which in turn, equate to more muscle mass. But I think its a moot point.

I thought we left the 1970's behind...ha!

Jon

posted March 07, 2000 03:39 PM            

2thick- what is wrong with d-bol? its heavily non AR mediated effects are a good complement to the equipoise(or deca or primo if you like) which are heavily AR mediated- I like test as the base becuase of its balance of AR and Non AR mediated effects.
twin has seen no side effects other than a very slight increase in blood pressure, a little acne- forearms and shoulders but topical use of nizoral on the shoulders made acne go away going to use on forearms-, a little trouble sleeping- wake up in middle of night starving, and about 10lbs in 3 and 1/2 weeks- most of which came in the last week (taking cytadren for first 10 days was not a good idea- thyroid interference resulting in sluggishness and muscular weakness). In the future "twin" may try cytadren at 1/2 tablet a day, but for now will stick with clomid ED and maybe some arimidex at the end.