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 Reps Vs. Weight while juicing
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Cannonball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted March 05, 2000 10:49 AM
  
While at the gym i always pay attention to details. I see many guys who would vuhemently deny that they were juicing to protect their reps and what not. Here's the thing. I know that they are because of the increase in the amount of weight their pushing and sometimes the sudden increase in size gives it away as well. Personally, i could care less HOW MUCH I can push, I'm more interested in how GOOD I LOOK. So if I wanted to avoid just looking BIG but not really defined I would... work all muscles 10 - 12 reps with a weight capable of producing failure at 10 - 12 reps or work 1/2 my juicing cycle with heavy weights @ 7 - 8 reps(to failure) with increasing weight then switch 1/2 way through cycle to higher reps and less weight. or What do the really big guys have to say on the subject. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1199) |
posted March 05, 2000 01:23 PM
I dont' give a shit if anyone knows that i'm on juice, and kill the weights, go heavy or take up golf IP: Logged |
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Formula Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
posted March 05, 2000 02:32 PM
I disagree, If you to heavy you'll build up muscle but you tendon will lag. This will either lead to a tear of some other injury. I would not go below 8 reps. IP: Logged |
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LOWE254 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54) |
posted March 05, 2000 02:37 PM
I say a little bit of both! Pyrimid you wieghts from 12 reps down to 4-5 reps, works for me! Keep your reps around 6-9 for at least 50% of the time then 25% of the time in the 4-6 range and the other 25% in the 10-12 range! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 229) |
posted March 05, 2000 03:06 PM
Fuck the light shit go i like 4-10 reps 10 sets for large muscle groups and but you have to push it while on juice to get the most out of it IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted March 05, 2000 05:05 PM
I always think along this route...lift heavy or get the hell out of my way so I can. But......... You have to keep in mind that the muscles are made up of slow and fast twitch fibers. Slow twitch are mostly responsible for muscle mass and growth, but...both must be worked for overall strength. I once posted an example like this: On a football team you have both offense and defense. One sits on the bench while the other takes the field, but both must play in order for the team to win. Your muscles work the same way...while your slow twitch fibers do all the work the fast twitch are more than happy to sit on the bench and reamain still. Matter of fact if they could they would probably thank you for not making them work..your body hates the gym..even if your mind dont. About every six weeks I will do 1-2 weeks of fast twitch training incorporating higher reps to make my muscles adjust to the endurance. At this time I go 12-15 or sometimes a few more. This ensures that both units get to play in the game, and keeps things evened out. As far as A.S. training goes...lift your ever loving ass off..try this scheme 10/8/6/4 using strip setting. Warm up and smack your heaviest set first. Then strip 5-10% of the weight down and hit it to failure always.. Good Luck! WCP ------------------ IP: Logged |
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onlythestrong Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 8) |
posted March 05, 2000 05:09 PM
I always hit 8 reps and then increase the weight. Always hit 8 reps and no more, except leg exercises and warmups. That is just what I prefer. IP: Logged |
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Cannonball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted March 05, 2000 05:30 PM
It seems as though everyboby has a different outlook on what a person should do to reach their best. I am positive that if you gain mass you have to gain strength. If I'm reading most of you right, then I should stick to heavier sets while I am cycling and the when I'm off the juice maybe spend a month on higher reps tom=ning up that bulk? IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 767) |
posted March 05, 2000 07:26 PM
formula is both right and wrong- it is true that muscles get stonger much faster than tendons, however there is no reason not to go heavy as long as you maintain strict form and stretch the muscle lightly between sets. besides # of reps is not the only important factor to consider- I personally beleive that Time under tension may be a better measure of training intensity- low reps with little time under tension tend to lead to neuromuscular development- good for powerlifting but not all that great for size. I like to keep time under tension around sixty seconds though more or less may be advantageous depending on your muscle fiber composition. this 60 sec. may be compreised of 12 reps or it may be comprised of 1. BTW- I also like heavy negative strip sets with a good spotter. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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LV 426 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 94) |
posted March 05, 2000 07:34 PM
i gotta bump macro TUT time under tension i'm a POLIQUIN disciple i love the fact a workout can be changed by this method thing is you have to check your ego at the door EXCELLENT!!! IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 405) |
posted March 06, 2000 12:27 AM
I use LP's mass routine, 6-8 reps, 5-7 sets... big-guy IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted March 06, 2000 12:37 AM
I do strip sets all the time, but Im with Macro on the fact that negative sets especially complimenting a regular set failure point work wonders.... Later Bros, WCP ------------------ IP: Logged |
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rocko Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted March 07, 2000 12:51 PM
For the most part WCP's post is accurate with the exception of his labeling of slow and fast twitch fibers. Slow twitch fibers are long and slender, like you soleus or the erectors on your back. Fast twitch fibers are thicker and they are the ones responsible for the size gains. When you are lifting weights you are working the muscle as hard as you can for 30 seconds, now if that is activating the slow twitch fibers, I don't know how qickly you have to lift to activate the fast twitch fibers. Think about this logicaly in the world of track and field. A long distance runner who must sustain thousands of muscular contractions over a period of up to hours has a very long and lanky appearence, where as a sprinter who must complete a very brief series of short and powerfull contractions is much stockier. Fast Twitch = White Fibers = Large muscles Slow Twitch = Red Fibers = Small muscles IP: Logged |
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big baller Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted March 07, 2000 02:31 PM
i say find what works best for you. try new things. if you like where you are headed and the results you are coming with stick with what you are doing. if you dont like where you are headed change your lifting routine. everyone has a different body,and are shooting for different goals, i dont think anyone can argue with that. for me when i hit a mass gear like sus250 or any test i lift heavy. yet in the summer when im going for definition and hit gear like primo, equipose and t3 i lift high reps low weight. works for me peace out all bn IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 286) |
posted March 08, 2000 12:08 PM
I wrestle locally, and I can't go through "bulking" and "cutting" phases. I have to look good year 'round for the wrestling shows. I don't just go heavy, because I have to build the form just as much as the size... or I lose that "total package" look. I go for the time under tension priniple as well. Rarely do I lift less than 6 reps. But I never lift more than 10. Every rep has very strict concentration. I visualize the muscle working with each and every rep. To me, it's not about weight. It's about form, and fatigue. If I wipe out the muscle in 6 reps or in 10... the muscle is still wiped out. That's just me though. Odd how different things work for different people. I wish there was just one formula that was proven to work... it'd take the guess work out of all of it. IP: Logged |
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WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted March 08, 2000 12:13 PM
Ill be damned Rocko, I think I did get that backwards...oops, my bad.. Later Bros, WCP ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted March 08, 2000 02:33 PM
I love to finish off with a "strip" set. I seem to respond very well when I toss 'em in every so often. I think there are other points we may have not considered; with strip sets we decrease the load on tendons, ligaments, joints, yet increase muscle fatigue through the duration of the set. In addition, when we do a strip set to failure, we condition our mental stamina by continuing to lift. Hopefully we push ourselves further and further past the point of quitting. We all quit at some point. Failure is in reality quitting. I've only been to the point of complete and total muscle failure like twice in my life. And even then I'm not totally sure.... Your body will shut down to protect itself, but it is hell getting to that point - which is almost a state of nirvana. Remember, failure at a certain weigh means you decrease the poundage and continue until your are no longer able to move the body part with zero resistance. This is as much mental conditioning as it is physical....Mind over matter and all that good metaphyisical stuff :0 Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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CHISELCHEST Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 33) |
posted March 08, 2000 03:00 PM
YO BRO GO HEAVY OR GO HOME. ALL KIDDING ASIDE WHEN YOUR ON THE GEAR HIT IT HARD 6 TO 8 REPS WHEN YOUR OFF YOU CAN REP OUT WITH LIGHER WEIGHT AND REST THOSE TENDONS. DON'T FORGET YOUR NEGS THEY VERY INPORTANT! THE NAME OF THE GAME IS INTENSITY LITE OR HEAVY!! IP: Logged |
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